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The Culture Corner => Politics => Topic started by: R. Hayabusa on May 03, 2013, 08:32:33 PM

Title: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 03, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
Since my post got deleted, i thought i'd make my own thread. comment as you see fit. however, if anyone throws in personal insults and offtopic nonsense it gets deleted. some considered in the troll crowd, will be auto deleted.

(only replying to politics forum posts, regardless).

would it be correct to say that abraham lincoln was a scumbag, that steamrolled over many of the bill of rights? wasn't it he that conscripted soldiers to fight and die in a war against it's own countrymen, to inadvertently free slaves? a strange dichotomy when you actually  think about it

The real reason of the war wasn't slavery. (even though nobody should be a slave) it was a about succession. at least that is what i gathered from the documentary that i had cited in another thread recently.

even after all that, we still have slavery in the world, sex slave rings. human trafficking, and the mentally enslaved thinking we are living in a completely free country. It was a long run, but the more things change, The more they stay the same.

It can't happen here.

"Power Concedes nothing without a demand. it never did and never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice & wrong which will be imposed upon them." Frederick Douglass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A_pfgt6R7S8#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A_pfgt6R7S8#!)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 03, 2013, 09:38:34 PM
Well i am no historian, and my history knowledge can be considered average, but none of that matters in the internet age,  :bomb:  knowing where to look and knowing how to research remedies this dilemma  :beer:
 
 :arrow: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110411-civil-war-150th-anniversary-fort-sumter-battle/

 :sonic1: :sonic1: :sonic1:
You got me curious golgo, and that article is perfect, as its not too long and filled with great writing and information. Indeed you are correct when you say the civil war was caused by s3ceding states. :ti-ki:

Lincoln seems to me to be a tactician of the highest order, refusing to do anything unless it appeared to the public to be a response and not an aggravation. :ti-ki:

The movie that came out a couple months ago, 'Lincoln' starring Daniel Day Lewis was actually pretty good. I enjoyed the portrayal and came away with a very positive opinion of Lincoln and of the seat of the Presidency.

https://www.youtube.com/v/qiSAbAuLhqs&hl=en
There was one scene that was very eye opening though  :ubershock:
In the movie, he wrote a letter that was an outright lie to congress about the status of knowing whether confederate representatives were headed to Washington to discuss the end of the war in order to try and push through his legislation to end slavery. :ti-ki:

Some historians argue, and indeed the movie presents that his motivation for freeing the slaves had to do with how America was perceived around the world, and that ending slavery was a moral obligation worth sacrificing more lives and postponing an immediate end to the war. :ti-ki:

Lincolns motivations to me have always been unclear / suspicious  :shifteyes:  Some historians think Lincoln really was indifferent about the Slavery issue, and actually used derogatory words when describing or associating with blacks. :ti-ki:

My belief and argument is that Lincoln not only wanted to end the war, but he wanted to severely cripple the confederacy to the extent that recovery/re-assembly of the southern economy and military would require decades and dependence on the union, thus subjecting them to change and forever altering their habits and way of life  :smiley_abtf: Lincoln needed to end slavery to accomplish this, as slavery was the driving force of the southern economy; i believe the overwhelmingly accepted narrative of why slavery was ended (moral obligation),  was secondary to his goal of permanent victory and fully preventing a second war. :ti-ki:

When viewing the movie under the presumptions I have described, falsifying information to congress and bribing senators to vote to end slavery falls in line with interests of national security and probably within Lincoln's unprecedented amount of power he assumed under the presidency. :ti-ki:

Whether he cared about slavery or the moral obligation will never be known, as its impossible to see inside a persons heart and mind, but I would think its safe to say it was a combination of the two.  :ti-ki:

:bouss01: :bouss01: :bouss01:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: animosity on May 03, 2013, 10:01:57 PM
Abraham Lincoln Quote

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
 
by:
 
Abraham Lincoln
 (1809-1865) 16th US President
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 03, 2013, 11:14:09 PM
interesting replies.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 03, 2013, 11:55:34 PM
The real reason of the war wasn't slavery. (even though nobody should be a slave) it was a about succession.

Indeed you are correct when you say the civil war was caused by succeeding states. :ti-ki:

 :sarcastic: Indeed both of you are incorrect. If the war were about "succession", you would be claiming that it was a dispute over who would be the next ruler. If the war were caused by "succeeding states", you would be making the nonsensical claim that the war was caused by states being profitable and growing.

I believe the word you are looking for is "SECESSION", as in "to secede", a word which is quite similar to "recede", which also happens to be a synonym of the words "withdraw" and "vacate", words which describe exactly what a secession IS.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: animosity on May 04, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
Lincoln didnt free the slaves because he wanted blacks to have equality, he freed the slaves to cripple the south by getting rid of its slave labor.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 04, 2013, 12:45:04 AM
good catch manly man, i spelled it wrong but meant the same. what are your opinions on lincoln
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 04, 2013, 01:32:55 AM
good catch manly man, i spelled it wrong but meant the same. what are your opinions on lincoln

I did not see the movie. As a person, I'm sure President Lincoln had many admirable qualities, but like all men, he had his flaws too. I certainly reject the notion preached and indoctrinated into school children that he was a spotless saint. Looking at it purely from a stance in the time in which he lived, and also obviously as a resident of the South, I would probably call him an over-ambitious tyrant who cared more about his thirst for consolidating power by preserving the Union than his reported love and longing for life and peace. Maybe if he would've simply allowed the South to form our own sovereign Confederacy and respected that decision, hundreds of thousands of lives would've been spared from the jaws of war.

BUT...

In retrospect, preservation of the Union has proven to be quite a profitable thing for the entire nation. Had the nation remained divided, neither side would likely be a military superpower and global economic powerhouse on the scale of what we now ALL enjoy. So many "what if's". What if the South had prevented the interruption of vital supply lines and gone on to defeat the North and win their independence? Perhaps some 80 years later when World War 2 broke out, things would've gone much differently allowing either Japan or Germany to not suffer defeat. Perhaps Korea would still be one nation entirely under Northern Communist control. Those two outcomes of conflicts alone pose countless more "what if" questions. I'm not a man who believes in fate, destiny, or divine intervention. And I also do not believe that we are God's chosen saviors of the globe, as we have many faults and flaws. Nevertheless, had this nation been divided and unable to respond to those two situations the way we did, then perhaps those wars would've had entirely different outcomes and neither Union or Confederate states would've survived. In my opinion, if fate exists, it was only cruel then to be kind to us later.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 04, 2013, 04:49:19 AM
Maybe if he would've simply allowed the South to form our own sovereign Confederacy and respected that decision, hundreds of thousands of lives would've been spared from the jaws of war.

Lincoln wanted the war. That son of a bitch welcomed it probably. Change usually takes years and decades under normal circumstances, but Lincoln saw his moment in history, similar to  George W. Bush and his invasion of Iraq and the middle east and his insistence that history would ultimately judge him and his actions in the pursuit of the expansion of freedom around the globe.
I would liken both of these wars as instances of Presidents pursuing shortcuts through time to conflicts that seemed destined, especially considering nations around the world had already begun outlawing slavery. The war was Lincoln's gift to America to bring about change that was rapid and lasting, especially foreseeing the Union having the advantage with resources and manufacturing. The absence of international hostility towards the United States was also beneficial towards Lincolns pursuits as the war of 1812 with England had ended as well as the mexican war with the alamo in the 1840's.


Those in power throughout the human timeline have consistently made the judgement that human life really isn't as sacred or as holy as a political agenda or profit. Take for example Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the Holocaust, or our modern day tragedy in Syria with over 100k people dying because Russia wants to profit off of the Assad Regime's downfall.   

:rocketright: :rocketleft:

Humans today are so diverse and our gene pools are so greatly mixed and intertwined, that the moral threshold to withstand killing thousands or millions of people really has grown, correlating to our population increase. The ability to repopulate ourselves so quickly and implant an ego more aligned with a nations political, religious, or economic interests, has always been more favorable, faster and cheaper than indoctrinating and occupying an existing hostile group of persons. This has always been and will always be our human legacy.

The weak die, and the strong repopulate  :raincloud:


Haunted youre owned  :evilking:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 04, 2013, 10:21:59 AM
Lincoln wanted the war. That son of a bitch welcomed it probably. Change usually takes years and decades under normal circumstances, but Lincoln saw his moment in history, similar to  George W. Bush and his invasion of Iraq and the middle east and his insistence that history would ultimately judge him and his actions in the pursuit of the expansion of freedom around the globe.

No sane ruler WANTS war. The insane may want it in order to exterminate large groups of people, but for the sane leader, it is always a last resort because it is such an expensive undertaking. President Lincoln might've been many things, but insane is not one of them. I highlighted your use of the word "probably" to prove the point that your statement is not entirely based on fact, but merely your opinion. I don't think war in and of itself is what anyone could claim Lincoln wanted with any reasonable proof. Nothing he ever said or did seemed to indicate that he pursued war as the primary plan of action. POWER, on the other hand, is something one could say he sought, and war was the only means by which he could've achieved it. It wasn't exactly a "conquest". The southern states had already been part of the Union, and he merely wanted to preserve the Union in order to retain it's full power, size, and place in the world. I still don't think it was entirely for selfish reasons that he sought to preserve the power of the full union. But any idiot ruling an area knows the possibility for wealth and prosperity is always greater the larger your kingdom is. The outcome of the war in the longterm just so happened to have been a mutually beneficial thing to both the North and the South as well as for the President himself. War over the issue of slavery was more than likely a completely unavoidable conflict, and President Lincoln was, depending on how you look at it, either lucky or unlucky enough to be the man at the head of the table when the issue came up.

Let's also not forget that he was not an all-powerful dictator. Congress had to approve things before going to war, and one man alone was not responsible for tipping the scales in favor of war. Often one man will hold plenty of weight to control the allegiances of others who would follow their lead, but there are still plenty of others who have the opportunity to oppose them, especially in a democratic republic.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 04, 2013, 02:31:33 PM
I believe the word you are looking for is "SECESSION", as in "to secede",

Yes.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 04, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
 :sonic1: :sonic1: :sonic1:
No sane ruler WANTS war. The insane may want it in order to exterminate large groups of people, but for the sane leader, it is always a last resort because it is such an expensive undertaking. President Lincoln might've been many things, but insane is not one of them.

Whether war is insane or sane is a gray area. As far as war always being out of a last resort, im not so sure. War is for the most part, good for stimulating an economy. WW2 seemed to be a great idea for getting the united states out of the depression, though i'll agree hitler was the priority. The last time I looked though, no one really held a gun to our heads when we invaded Vietnam to halt the spread of communism. GWBush sent collin powel to lie to the united nations to push us into iraq, which many people now consider was started under false pretenses and with the unfortunate abuse of what happened on 9/11. Don't get me wrong, the fact that weapons of mass destruction were never found does not take away from the fact that removing saddam and initiating a chain reaction of falling middle east leaders was correct and in line with the interests of the national security of the united states of america, in my opinion. I do not think GWBush is insane, but I truly believe he tried to advance freedom in the middle east. Others think he did it out of revenge or for profiteering, but I would consider those motives secondary, just like Lincolns moral obligation claim with slavery. I consider myself an independent, but align myself mostly with democrats and I  agree  :thumbsupup: with what Bush did, even though shady techniques were used. The human cost of war is immeasurable,  but i can tell you that it can be very profitable in terms of avoiding future conflict or spreading a political agenda outside of a pure cost analysis.  :purpleshock:

War over the issue of slavery was more than likely a completely unavoidable conflict, and President Lincoln was, depending on how you look at it, either lucky or unlucky enough to be the man at the head of the table when the issue came up.

if it was unavoidable, the issue of sanity is irrelevant. being a tactician, i can see lincoln welcoming the war  :smiley_aavn:

Let's also not forget that he was not an all-powerful dictator.

from what i understand, lincoln suspended many of our rights and was probably the closest thing to a dictator this nation has ever had. the movie shows him bribing senators and lieing to congress effortlessly.

You are right though, this is all just my opinion, and was shared for the fun of it.  :ubbbounce2:
:bouss01: :bouss01: :bouss01:

die haunted  :smiley_aayz:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 04, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
Let's also not forget that he was not an all-powerful dictator. Congress had to approve things before going to war, and one man alone was not responsible for tipping the scales in favor of war. Often one man will hold plenty of weight to control the allegiances of others who would follow their lead, but there are still plenty of others who have the opportunity to oppose them, especially in a democratic republic.

"Good intentions will always be pleaded, for every assumption of authority.The Constitution was made to guard the people
against the dangers of good intentions."  -Noah Webster
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 04, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
from what i understand, lincoln suspended many of our rights and was probably the closest thing to a dictator this nation has ever had. the movie shows him bribing senators and lieing to congress effortlessly.

yea, imagine what's it's like today.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 04, 2013, 04:34:40 PM
War is for the most part, good for stimulating an economy. WW2 seemed to be a great idea for getting the united states out of the depression, though i'll agree hitler was the priority.

At some point in time, masses of people were obviously taught that the war alone was the sole thing that pulled the US out of the Great Depression. Being an economics major, I'm sure you'd be willing to teach me in depth exactly HOW spending billions and billions of dollars feeding, training, payrolling, and outfitting huge numbers of soldiers somehow directly results in a profit.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 04, 2013, 05:55:46 PM

  • War is for the most part, good for stimulating an economy.
  • The human cost of war is immeasurable,  but i can tell you that it can be very profitable in terms of avoiding future conflict or spreading a political agenda outside of a pure cost analysis.

:sonic1:
I said its good for stimulating an economy, not leading to a direct profit that can added and subtracted on a piece of paper; proving this would take vast amounts of time, as well as measuring opportunity costs, but I can tell you some minor things. Production of military goods would increase, leading to more people being employed with the ability to spend, as well as increasing the knowledge of potential future entrepreneurs. The unemployment rate would fall due to death, and the need to devalue our currency even further via the federal reserve would be limited. One could make the argument that as we engaged in more wars, advancements in technology i.e. radar, the launch of satellites, landing on the moon, the invention of the internet and possibly now entertaining commercial space travel  originated as a byproduct  of the war machine. Can't put a profit price tag on the economic benefits, though our GDP now is #1 by far:

GDP BY COUNTRY (2011):
1    United States   14  (14 trillion)
2    China   7
3    Japan   5
4    Germany   3
5    France   2
6    Brazil   2
7    United Kingdom   2
8    Italy   2
9    India   1
10    Russia   1

World War 2 was unique in that it literally was a battle for the western world, and as I said above, the primary motive was Hitler, though we did help rebuild Western Europe.

As far as the middle east is concerned, having a proactive approach and taking the war to "them" overseas has produced a stability in oil prices and the prevention of suicide bombings and attacks from radicals within the homeland united states. Can you imagine if our foreign policy was to once again revert to being isolationists and leaving the world to itself. We would be doing ourselves a disservice to one day have to engage a nuclear allied middle east with Saddam, Ahmadinejad and others in a true WW3. The potential savings / profit monetarily and with respect to the amount of death that could occur are incalculable, and that is why the foreign policy of both bush and obama remain the same: a military neutralization of the middle east/pursuit of government collapses towards democracy, an expansion of business and political ties within china and russia, and keeping latin america occupied with itself by turning a blind eye to the cartels.

Preliminary estimates show that shutting down Boston for 1 single day after the recent bombings cost the economy hundreds of millions of dollars:

I'm sure you'd be willing to teach me in depth exactly HOW spending billions and billions of dollars feeding, training, payrolling, and outfitting huge numbers of soldiers somehow directly results in a profit.

The answer to your question is that it really isn't that simple to quantify things as you claim, and you are a jackass for trying to simplify it  :bigwhack:
                                                                                                                                                               :bouss01:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 04, 2013, 06:30:56 PM
I'm sure you'd be willing to teach me in depth exactly HOW spending billions and billions of dollars feeding, training, payrolling, and outfitting huge numbers of soldiers somehow directly results in a profit.

The answer to your question is that it really isn't that simple to quantify things as you claim, and you are a jackass for trying to simplify it

I'm not the one simplifying it. People who say that "war is good for stimulating an economy" are the ones simplifying it. There are specific reasons why the Great Depression ended when it did, and many of the people claiming that "war is good for the economy" really have no idea what they are talking about. Not ALL wars are good for an economy. In fact, MOST wars are terrible for an economy due to the obscene amounts of money it costs to field an army. Just to highlight some of the unique reasons why World War 2 was a success for the American economy... As you already mentioned, military production went into overdrive, creating jobs. Also, people began turning loose of their money when the government started selling war bonds. This helped to further support government funding on top of the taxes they already collected. Probably most importantly, the government took complete control over certain commodities and was forced to start rationing many items which prevented further inflation. Conservation was at an all-time high with things like mandatory black outs, salvage drives, etc. All of these things are unique in that they do not always happen in EVERY war effort, which is the eventual point I was leading to in asking you that question.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 04, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
All of these things are unique in that they do not always happen in EVERY war effort, which is the eventual point I was leading to in asking you that question.

 :sonic1:
Focalor when you stop nit picking individual wars and finally glimpse into the grand macro desire of western foreign policy, you will see that all wars past, present and into the future are ones in a series:


It is true that individual wars will be more costly, or require a greater amount of sacrifice, but looking 1000 years down the road, these costs are not only justified and obligatory of intelligent human beings, but they are necessitated if we are ever to reach a point in time where all human beings are united in mind.

This is the viewpoint of an optimist, who never wants this nation to extinguish from the earth.

                                                                                         :bouss01:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 04, 2013, 08:44:02 PM


As far as the middle east is concerned, having a proactive approach and taking the war to "them" overseas has produced a stability in oil prices and the prevention of suicide bombings and attacks from radicals within the homeland united states. Can you imagine if our foreign policy was to once again revert to being isolationists and leaving the world to itself. We would be doing ourselves a disservice to one day have to engage a nuclear allied middle east with Saddam, Ahmadinejad and others in a true WW3.


The potential savings / profit monetarily and with respect to the amount of death that could occur are incalculable, and that is why the foreign policy of both bush and obama remain the same: a military neutralization of the middle east/pursuit of government collapses towards democracy, an expansion of business and political ties within china and russia, and keeping latin america occupied with itself by turning a blind eye to the cartels.
                                                                                                                                                               :bouss01:


I fundamentally disagree with that.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 04, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Focalor when you stop nit picking individual wars and finally glimpse into the grand macro desire of western foreign policy, you will see that all wars past, present and into the future are ones in a series:

I am not nit picking anything other than your own words repeating the false notion that I've heard so many times from so many other people, "War equals profit". It's simply not true. What the hell does it matter that you personally view wars collectively as a progressive plan moving towards anything? As far as I am aware, that was never an issue or a talking point... at least not until NOW. You seem to be scolding me over the fact that I do not share this viewpoint or have not willingly brought it up. Basically, I'm quite confused as to why it's an issue at all unless it's a method of shoehorning some random epiphany you think you've had into the conversation for the purpose of dazzling me.

But to provide my own thoughts upon your "epiphany"...

... but looking 1000 years down the road, these costs are not only justified and obligatory of intelligent human beings, but they are necessitated if we are ever to reach a point in time where all human beings are united in mind.

What you seem to be suggesting is that one day there will be (or should be) a New World Order in which all nations will be united into one harmonious utopian society. Uh... yeah. I think we've all heard your story about the nebula or whatever anti-religion of weirdness it is you espouse. When hoping for and/or predicting events like that, you should probably spend LESS time looking into the eagle nebula and MORE time looking at the human beings that live on this planet. You'd realize that the human instincts driving our greed and ambition make such a dream quite impossible to attain. And if we WERE to be "united in mind", whatever that means, it would certainly not be an example of "freedom". To me, that sounds like something out of Ayn Rand's Anthem. :-\

Collectivism? :21210-7:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 05, 2013, 02:42:04 AM
I am not nit picking anything other than your own words repeating the false notion that I've heard so many times from so many other people, "War equals profit". It's simply not true.
:sonic1:
We have two very different definitions of what profit is and our world view influences its definition.


What you seem to be suggesting is that one day there will be (or should be) a New World Order in which all nations will be united into one harmonious utopian society. You'd realize that the human instincts driving our greed and ambition make such a dream quite impossible to attain. And if we WERE to be "united in mind", whatever that means, it would certainly not be an example of "freedom". To me, that sounds like something out of Ayn Rand's Anthem. :-\

Collectivism? :21210-7:

 :Duhard:

Focalor let me explain something you might not have known about. Human beings have existed for thousands of years. Can you stop for a second and think about that? Thousands. The fact that you cannot comprehend that world leaders and people in power have different thoughts running through their heads besides making moonshine and sexy girls should not surprise you :lolsign:  :dohdohdoh:

We live in 2013 and are on the verge of going to Mars for crying out loud. Why do you find it impossible to accept that a nation as advanced as any in the history of the world would use its influence to shape the next thousand years of humanity. Barring a catastrophe or our extinction, can you tell me what are the distant long term interests of the united states?  Trying to live and decipher world events without having thought about this is futile.

I did not say anything about a new world order or a Utopian society or anything religious or fanatical  :rocketleft:
This is what i meant by "united in mind":

  • the ultimate end [western foreign policy] is realized when all nations of the earth:
    • guarantee individual human rights
    • religious freedom 
    • and adopt an economic model similar to our own
                                                                                   
Sadly the first 2 only exists within the western world. Hundreds of years are still needed to reform fundamentalist Islam as the Enlightenment period in Europe tamed Christianity.
I dont see anything wrong with having the rights and guarantees of our u.s. constitution being implemented in every corner of the globe.
Can you please point out which of the 3 things I said that you find alarming, and how having a world one day with these things would yield less freedom and less human advancement?
                                                                                                                                                                                              :bouss01:     
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 05, 2013, 05:24:53 AM

Sadly the first 2 only exists within the western world. Hundreds of years are still needed to reform fundamentalist Islam as the Enlightenment period in Europe tamed Christianity.
I dont see anything wrong with having the rights and guarantees of our u.s. constitution being implemented in every corner of the globe.
Can you please point out which of the 3 things I said that you find alarming, and how having a world one day with these things would yield less freedom and less human advancement?               

well, the context you put it in assumes that governments are benevolent and only wish to benefit societies. as we have seen throughout history, this has been the opposite effect.  it's not that i would be opposed to having the"constitution" adopted by other societies of the world. however you cannot assert such a moral or right though force. it never produces results.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 05, 2013, 06:37:30 AM
Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, etc. all saw the civil war coming before Lincoln was born as they were writing our declaration of independence and constitution. I repeat: As they drafted both of these documents, they did so  fully aware of the fact that Civil War was nearly inevitable; I say nearly because things like the AMERICAN REVOLUTION and initiating our newly founded country as an international presence took priority at the time. I haven't read all the posts here(probably 5% of all that have posted, just don't feel like it atm), but at a glance it's obvious that some of you appreciate non-conformist dramatic horse shit opposed to our country's history.

^Golgo, you're going to have to keep deleting this if you want it gone(gone for a portion of the time, at least), because I will continue to repost it. I removed the gooch comment, but that's all you're getting.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 05, 2013, 07:47:42 AM
Focalor let me explain something you might not have known about. Human beings have existed for thousands of years. Can you stop for a second and think about that? Thousands.

No, let ME explain something to YOU. Human beings in slightly differing physical forms have existed FAR LONGER than mere piddly thousands of years. Humans are several MILLION years old. During every minute of our existence, men have killed each other over every tiny thing imaginable. Given that established method of operation, I have no reason to believe that it will ever stop, and every reason to believe that it's an instinct impossible to root out.

world leaders and people in power have different thoughts running through their heads 

Yes, they all have different ambitions and expectations, which is why uniform political methodry will never exist. The numerous caesars of Rome attempted to conquer and rule the globe, and it was quite successful for a time, but it eventually resulted in ruin and misery for them. Unity is impossible to sustain even by force, and "by force" is the only way to approach it, which means that the end result will never be freedom. You can't change what some people are. You can use crazy glue to adhere the north poles of two magnets together, but by nature they still repel one another.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 05, 2013, 02:45:44 PM
well, the context you put it in assumes that governments are benevolent and only wish to benefit societies. as we have seen throughout history, this has been the opposite effect.  it's not that i i would be opposed to having the"constitution" adopted by other societies of the world. however you cannot assert such a moral or right though force. it never produces results.

 :sonic1:
Foreign policy takes on many faces, of which include, direct foreign aid, IMF and WORLD BANK funding, NATO and UNITED NATIONS diplomacy and resolutions, CIA operations and also War.  :!:
Obviously, the united states has used all of these techniques in trying to spread its influence around the world

 :arrow: I have to disagree with you golgo, the american civil war changed the south. world war 2 sent a crashing blow to hitler and japan, yielding economic powerhouses in now allied germany and an allied japan.
 :arrow: looking at the vietnam war, though you can say we lost the battle, the war for the economic system was won, as vietnam has moved drastically towards adopting a western model, welcoming american tourists and moving on with itself.
 :arrow: Although the cold war was won without firing a single shot, i believe that the prospect for mutual destruction has brought russia and the united states more closely together and finally stopping russia's reconquest of lost satellite countries and its spread of communism.

Depending on how you look at it, War in the long run has been successful for the united states when only 50 yrs ago we had russia and cuba ready to fire nuclear weapons on us. The fight to stop the spread of communism was in the interests of the united states then, just as stopping the spread of fundamentalist Islam is now.
and yes, i believe the western world acts in an interest to benefit itself, humanity and the world, whether as a primary or secondary objective. 

                                                                                                                                                   :bouss01:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 05, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
FOCALOR:

:sonic1:
Barring a catastrophe or our extinction, can you tell me what are the distant long term interests of the united states?  Trying to live and decipher world events without having thought about this is futile.
                                                                                                                                                                                               

:bouss01:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 05, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
^Golgo, you're going to have to keep deleting this if you want it gone(gone for a portion of the time, at least), because I will continue to repost it. I removed the gooch comment, but that's all you're getting.

 i could keep deleting but i'm not going to. i had already stated leave out the troll comments. this is a debate thread. don't drag in nonsense into the conversation.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 05, 2013, 03:14:44 PM
Just because I ended the debate in a few sentences doesn't make it nonsense.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 05, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Foreign policy takes on many faces, of which include, direct foreign aid, IMF and WORLD BANK funding, NATO and UNITED NATIONS diplomacy and resolutions, CIA operations and also War.  :!:
Obviously, the united states has used all of these techniques in trying to spread its influence around the world

Depending on how you look at it, War in the long run has been successful for the united states when only 50 yrs ago we had russia and cuba ready to fire nuclear weapons on us. The fight to stop the spread of communism was in the interests of the united states then, just as stopping the spread of fundamentalist Islam is now.
and yes, i believe the western world acts in an interest to benefit itself, humanity and the world, whether as a primary or secondary objective. 
The industrial era gave the most prominence of wealth from banking institutions and trading companies, which helped build up the U.S to be able to participate in WW1 and 2. otherwise this country wouldn't be what it is today. so no war wasn't the only factor that boosted american civilization.

war was a factor but more of a side effect which increased growth later on.  now war is only profitable for the already rich. we live in the information age now. someone from 10000 miles away can talk on a phone with someone they never met. This is the peak of mankinds era. which also holds the potential for destruction  at the whim of those with influence.
                                                                                                                       
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 05, 2013, 03:45:56 PM

we live in the information age now. someone from 10000 miles away can talk on a phone with someone they never met. This is the peak of mankinds era. which also holds the potential for destruction at the whim of those with influence.
                                                                                                                     

No golgo, this is not the peak of mankinds era. Were just getting started.
                                                                                                         :bouss01:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 05, 2013, 05:28:27 PM
FOCALOR:

:sonic1:
Barring a catastrophe or our extinction, can you tell me what are the distant long term interests of the united states?  Trying to live and decipher world events without having thought about this is futile.
                                                                                                                                                                                               

:bouss01:

Do I look like a politician? No. I have no idea what the greedy bastards pulling the strings have planned for next month let alone in the next 50 to 100 years. Hopefully one of their interests would be pulling the country's checkbook out of the red like any person who ISN'T a complete fucking idiot might want to do, but I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. It's abundantly obvious that one of the top priorities would be energy resources such as oil. Now a country with the wealth and intelligence we possess would do well to seek energy sources OTHER than oil, but due to the fact that oil moguls have obscene amounts of money at their disposal, they are able to use that wealth to influence politics and industry to continue using their product and continue making them wealthy. And to expound on what I mean by "influence"... they BUY favorable opinions in the right places when necessary. If a hugely wealthy cigarette company like Brown & Williamson will hire thugs under the table to threaten people when they attempt to expose them for lying to congressional committees, what do you think oil companies who are SEVERAL TIMES more wealthy than Brown & Williamson will do to protect their interests? I imagine there have been several ambitious gearheads working in their garages to invent a car than can run on things other than gasoline. I also imagine that these same people have attempted to patent their ideas and have strangely disappeared off the face of the earth or fallen victim to freak accidents.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: ex on May 05, 2013, 09:49:47 PM
Hopefully Golgo doesn't delete my response as he's been doing lately, as it contains an honest, non-troll thought on this issue...

What you seem to be suggesting is that one day there will be (or should be) a New World Order in which all nations will be united into one harmonious utopian society. Uh... yeah. I think we've all heard your story about the nebula or whatever anti-religion of weirdness it is you espouse. When hoping for and/or predicting events like that, you should probably spend LESS time looking into the eagle nebula and MORE time looking at the human beings that live on this planet. You'd realize that the human instincts driving our greed and ambition make such a dream quite impossible to attain. And if we WERE to be "united in mind", whatever that means, it would certainly not be an example of "freedom". To me, that sounds like something out of Ayn Rand's Anthem. :-\

Collectivism? :21210-7:

Just want to chime in about this in particular.  What 2dum is getting at is the idea of a one-species mind, a hive complex, etc.  It has been said by many people who study characteristics of large-population species of insects/animals that once a particular organism reaches a high enough number, there seems to be a one-mind ability that develops in said organism.  Some estimates have been keyed at 10 billion individuals for humans, although this number could indeed be higher/lower depending on a myriad of conditions.  Anyway, the point is that species actually DO exhibit this strange behavior when the numbers become so massive we can't avoid being apart from each other.  It seems to be a natural progression of how integrated parts become a greater power than the sum of their parts.

Anyway, food for thought...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 06, 2013, 01:28:52 AM

Just want to chime in about this in particular.  What 2dum is getting at is the idea of a one-species mind, a hive complex, etc. 


my god ex, i am truly amazed, truly mind boggled and dumbfounded  :WTF2: :WTF2:

that has got to be one of the dumbest deductions of reasoning i have ever seen

 :big1:
How in the living hell does the human know it all, Googl-ex :yell_1_prv: come to the conclusion that I was referring to a hive mind when i clearly said:

I did not say anything about a new world order or a Utopian society or anything religious or fanatical  :rocketleft:
This is what i meant by "united in mind":
  • the ultimate end [western foreign policy] is realized when all nations of the earth:
    • guarantee individual human rights
    • religious freedom 
    • and adopt an economic model similar to our own
             
:ugly_08: :ugly_08: [/list]
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 06, 2013, 03:14:40 AM
Do I look like a politician? No. I have no idea what the greedy bastards pulling the strings have planned for next month let alone in the next 50 to 100 years.

 :arrow: Focalor, not everyone is evil or greedy.
 :arrow: The two video's below should give everyone a glimpse at what American foreign policy is, at least for the near future:

https://www.youtube.com/v/uFcLbdancLI&hl=en
(8:30-10:00) vid 1 = A+  :gr3:
https://www.youtube.com/v/pZYVEV6TYio&hl=en

As far as the middle east is concerned, having a proactive approach and taking the war to "them" overseas has produced a stability in oil prices and the prevention of suicide bombings and attacks from radicals ... the potential (savings / profit) monetarily and with respect to the amount of death that could occur are incalculable, and that is why the foreign policy of both bush and obama remain the same: a military neutralization of the middle east/pursuit of government collapses towards democracy, an expansion of business and political ties within china and russia, and keeping latin america occupied with itself by turning a blind eye to the cartels.


  • the ultimate end [western foreign policy] is realized when all nations of the earth:
  • guarantee individual human rights
  • religious freedom 
  • and adopt an economic model similar to our own
                                                                             

Goddam im good  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 06, 2013, 06:03:08 AM
Focalor, not everyone is evil or greedy.

Maybe not "everyone", but politicians are. These days, you don't get to be a politician by being nice, fair, and just. Those people are removed from participation before they get so much as a foot in the door.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 06, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
These days, you don't get to be a politician by being nice, fair, and just. Those people are removed from participation before they get so much as a foot in the door.
:sonic1:
Ok well, obama aside, what about this one real quick?

Harvard Professor who went on a rant:
https://www.youtube.com/v/i-P-CoSNYaI&hl=en

And ended up a U.S. Senator  :peaock: 
(http://media2.wwlp.com//photo/2012/11/06/warren_wins_20121106214942_320_240.JPG)

                                                                    :bouss01:   
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 06, 2013, 04:27:58 PM
I never mentioned President Obama. Either you're trying to put words in my mouth or you're making a skimmed attempt to single him out from others and call him an "evil" politician.

Don't know or care who Elizabeth Warren is. But people don't finance their own campaigns. Other people contribute to them with the agreement that they will get favors when they are elected. This is why campaign finance has come under huge public scrutiny in the past decade while politicians lawyers have been losing sleep trying to find loopholes to keep their donors anonymous. It's a lot easier to look innocent of corruption when you can hide your tracks beforehand.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: ex on May 06, 2013, 06:19:21 PM

Just want to chime in about this in particular.  What 2dum is getting at is the idea of a one-species mind, a hive complex, etc. 


my god ex, i am truly amazed, truly mind boggled and dumbfounded  :WTF2: :WTF2:

that has got to be one of the dumbest deductions of reasoning i have ever seen

 :big1:
How in the living hell does the human know it all, Googl-ex :yell_1_prv: come to the conclusion that I was referring to a hive mind when i clearly said:

I did not say anything about a new world order or a Utopian society or anything religious or fanatical  :rocketleft:
This is what i meant by "united in mind":
  • the ultimate end [western foreign policy] is realized when all nations of the earth:
    • guarantee individual human rights
    • religious freedom 
    • and adopt an economic model similar to our own
             
:ugly_08: :ugly_08: [/list]

You should really stick to economics and leave the scientific stuff to those who understand it better (even though you don't really understand economics that well either).  The "united in mind" idea correlates to a hive-like mentality.  Once again, people who are a helluva lot smarter than you have noted how all species develop this hive syndrome when their numbers become absurdly massive.  It's like they're all thinking the same thing, going in the same direction, etc.  Some of us would like to think we're detached from the animal level because of our intellect, but the truth is, we are not; all it takes is our numbers reaching an absurd level and we, as a species, will change against our will.  It's basically a code that's naturally locked into our genetics.  It's the same code that allowed us to develop our intellect in the first place; it was necessary for us to survive.

Please don't respond with another troll post full of garbage, that's really sad.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 07, 2013, 04:50:17 AM
blah blah

So in other words, you have no idea how politicians are elected or what they do once they are. And rather than providing examples and evidence to prove your point, you'd rather stray off topic, cram words and meanings into my mouth that I never said or intended to say in order to control the direction of the conversation, and turn this thread into a shit slinging competition in order to soothe your injured ego.

We're done here.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 07, 2013, 08:36:22 AM
since golgo can just delete whatever posts he doesn't like.

To be honest, this thread sprang up only after I deleted Golgo's post from a thread I started. Contrary to what he or anyone else might believe, that was not done out of spite for HIM personally. That was done because his post was not entirely on-topic and I forsaw that it could've lead the discussion to places that would've resulted in the usual name calling and shit slinging (even I was tempted to go that route in response to it), something I did NOT want for that thread in particular, an issue I am very serious and deeply concerned about.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 07, 2013, 08:55:56 AM
I'm not gonna have this thread derailed by trolling and antics. i already stated those posts would be deleted. what was deleted was not backed by any factual assertions. haunted is auto deleted from now on in this thread because he's being an asshole that injects logical fallacies. on top of that, he knows nothing about politics.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 07, 2013, 02:03:49 PM
We're done here.  :frustration:

Translation: 2dum wins  :smiley_aayn:

Golgo you killed the thread by deleting peoples posts.

 I hate when people do that shit

You should have the maturity to let it all go and let people say whatever they want. Its really not hard to defend ones self and then counter against petty people like haunted and focalor

gg for me in this thread. was fun.
 :before: :111:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 07, 2013, 04:12:06 PM
You should have the maturity to let it all go and let people say whatever they want.

In other words he should have the maturity to let you be immature? Do as I say, not as I do, is that it? Mental midget.

Its really not hard to defend ones self and then counter against petty people like haunted and focalor

Yeah, it's easy when all you gotta do is completely misquote people and evade the subject in order to manipulate a discussion into somehow becoming a debate so that you can somehow "win" it. Jesus Christ, are you so psychologically stunted that everything has to become a fucking competition with you? No, you don't win. That's like saying that we're both riding a bus through the city and you win at riding the bus. Riding the bus is NOT a competition and no one wins. If you have the ability to claim victory for anything, it's only because I'm obviously the fucking loser for allowing you to lure me onto the same shortbus with a mental midget like you.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 07, 2013, 04:22:19 PM
Focalor all i did was quote you and give you articles, videos, and pictures. you owned yourself, i was just there point it out
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 07, 2013, 05:15:53 PM
Yep. :shortbus:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: ex on May 07, 2013, 08:26:50 PM
Yeah, sorry 2dum, but believe it or not, I am completely for Golgo deleting any posts he feels necessary in his own threads.  Sometimes it sucks the particular posts he chooses should go (especially when they were honestly meant as a helpful bit of info), but that in no way means that he should have to put up with petty BS from people when it's his topic and his own thread.  That's the same mentality that caused your mute on the servers in the first place - you spamming people endlessly and the logic you put forth is "STFU AND TAKE IT" and "You people just don't understand a good joke."  Well, you see how far that got you.  But I digress...

Golgo is not out of bounds in deleting posts he doesn't want to put up with from his own threads.  I do notice it really is mostly troll posts that go.

BTW I know, I actually am on Golgo's side on an issue.  I myself am amazed, but stranger things have happened before.  :>
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on May 07, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
Stop brown nosing ex
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: ex on May 07, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
BTW, on topic:

Was watching KERA World (PBS) earlier and saw an interesting bit about how the Turkish government is getting investigated currently by the international community for crimes against its own soldiers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Turkey

Apparently in Turkey, you are trained from a young boy that every boy is a born soldier.  There is no dissent about this issue; if you disagree even with the army in the slightest degree, it can wind you up with a prison term over there.  Also, once you're in the army, it's basically like prison is over here.  You either join in with other soldiers in the hazing of lower-level soldiers and/or those of poorer socioeconomic backgrounds, or you BECOME one of the hazed soldiers.  Never are you simply "left alone" over there, and joining the Turkish armed forces is mandatory for ALL males aged 20 - 41, for a term of at least 6 months.  Also adding insult to injury, when soldiers who have been hazed go to the government to file grievance hearings, they are usually dismissed without any investigation, in order to not make the services look bad.

That's fucking scary.  No matter how bad our armed forces get, it doesn't hold a candle to that shit.  You can't even complain about being treated horribly or else YOU'LL end up in prison.  Makes you happy to be an American all of the sudden. :o

edit:  Just refreshed my memory a little from my own link.  :>  One of the reasons Turkey is getting investigated is because you can pay to get out of serving over there.  Apparently 10,000 Euros ($13091 U.S. Dollars) is enough to get the "I didn't have to serve" card applied, so long as you also live outside of Turkey and have worked for 3 consecutive years.  Mostly it is the rich and powerful over there that can take advantage of this situation.  None of them have to worry about ever sending themselves or their children to the army - they simply pay their family's way out of it.  There was a guy yelling about this at a protest outside a Turkish governmental building, stating that his son had died in the army due to hazing, and the case was dismissed, mostly because it could very easily be dismissed.  Their family was very poor, so paying to get out of service wasn't an option.  It's a sad situation over there.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: The Dreaming Dragon on May 08, 2013, 08:34:30 PM
http://videosift.com/video/Corporate-media-propagates-faked-staged-events-to-sell-war
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 11, 2013, 09:24:32 PM
http://videosift.com/video/Corporate-media-propagates-faked-staged-events-to-sell-war

link not found
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 11, 2013, 09:24:50 PM
This is real debate. i used to way back watch bill maher, but no longer agree with him on a host of issues.


http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2013/05/bill-maher-is-put-on-his-heals-defending-war-and-destruction/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 12, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
This is real debate. i used to way back watch bill maher, but no longer agree with him on a host of issues.


http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2013/05/bill-maher-is-put-on-his-heals-defending-war-and-destruction/

Not for nothing but... agree with him or not, who cares what he thinks really. He's a comedian. They hold the same position today that a court jester or fool held hundreds and hundreds of years ago. No one held them in high regard back then and they shouldn't now. They make people laugh, but you gotta be a bigger fool than them to give a shit about what they think. The only reason people put them on any kind of pedestal these days is because they make a big salary. Plenty of other "comedians" tour small clubs or do open-mic nights and make nothing in a paycheck, and no one regards them as high intellectuals.

Anyone can bitch about politics. Anyone can be right or wrong about it too. I just don't see any reason to regard these people as anything more important than a mere entertainer, a dancing monkey with a tin cup. They're whores. They come over, they suck your dick, you cum, you pay them, then they should leave. Just because they suck your dick GOOD doesn't mean you should propose marriage or give a shit about them.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 12, 2013, 07:00:14 PM

Not for nothing but... agree with him or not, who cares what he thinks really. He's a comedian. They hold the same position today that a court jester or fool held hundreds and hundreds of years ago. No one held them in high regard back then and they shouldn't now. They make people laugh, but you gotta be a bigger fool than them to give a shit about what they think. The only reason people put them on any kind of pedestal these days is because they make a big salary. Plenty of other "comedians" tour small clubs or do open-mic nights and make nothing in a paycheck, and no one regards them as high intellectuals.

Anyone can bitch about politics. Anyone can be right or wrong about it too. I just don't see any reason to regard these people as anything more important than a mere entertainer, a dancing monkey with a tin cup. They're whores. They come over, they suck your dick, you cum, you pay them, then they should leave. Just because they suck your dick GOOD doesn't mean you should propose marriage or give a shit about them.

it's true. they appeal to the masses. times have changed a bit though. now those with influence can buy time on TV and a message can be televised to an entire nation. We are now in a time where the court jester gets the podium and people accept it as gospel.

Just look at MSNBC. Chris "thrill up his leg" matthews. Rachel maddow etc. opinion is now news today. no need for real facts, combined with skewed opinions. however people are catching on. in a poll on RT, most people thought MSNBC was more opinion based. about half and half thought also was fox news. and more people thought more about CNN being factual.

The misinformation out there is colossal. all you need now is money to get a message across. The TV delivers this biased message. in a society where dancing with the stars, desperate housewives, MTV, or fill in the blank etc etc. The public then accepts this message because there is no real opposition. sort of like a saying from the nazi propaganda minister that tried to perfect the ways of deception. history repeats.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”- Joseph Goebbels

 
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 12, 2013, 07:42:08 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/12/rand-paul-un-has-secret-plot-to-confiscate-and-destroy-all-of-americas-guns/

hmm Rand Paul? not everyday someone like that, comes out with such an announcement. from such an unexpected source.  he's really putting his credibility out there.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 18, 2013, 09:51:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/lKO8A285Rr0&feature=player_embedded

suprising response
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 25, 2013, 12:57:24 AM
http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-march-against-senate-766/

https://www.facebook.com/events/147274678766425/

that shits gone global.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 25, 2013, 08:04:22 AM
An "online" march. LAWL! Fuckin' nerds.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 26, 2013, 03:46:26 AM
The skinny on Monsanto: for inquiring minds that'd like to know.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wWAB1K4lOsw
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 20, 2013, 10:19:39 AM
Video #1: I personally think people holding rallies like that are jumping the gun a little bit and taking things a little too far out of proportion. Still, I'm kinda glad there's people like that who will jump at any chance to protest the government when it may not really be warranted. If shit does get worse, I'll gladly jump on the wagon with them. But for now, I'm more than happy to sit on the sidelines and watch them probably waste their breath.

Video #2: For starters... SPAM. "Send this to everyone you know! Post it on Facebook!" When someone has to TELL YOU to spread a video, then the object of the game is not to spread a message but instead to spread data like email chain letter spam. Secondly, this video ISN'T going to make people working for the NSA quit their jobs, leak info, or physically sabotage servers. Some of them probably couldn't quit even if they WANTED to. And if they leaked classified information or intentionally sabotaged government property, they'd be looking at a "Free Country" from the wrong side of iron bars for their rest of their lives. They GOT their jobs in that field because they possess the intelligence to do it. Willingly giving up the rest of their free-roaming lives because of some youtube video does not EVER sound like something that a person of that intelligence level would ever consider.

If the proverbial shit is on-course to collide with the whirling blades of the fan, then there is little anyone can do at this point to stop it. One youtube video won't. One HUNDRED youtube videos won't. One THOUSAND youtube videos won't. Violence and force are gonna be the only factors that'll make any changes.

I gotta kinda sympathize with the government though honestly. On one hand, people are gonna raise hell if they can't find a way to prevent shit like 9/11 from happening. On the other hand,... people are STILL gonna raise hell when they use surveillance to do it. They're gonna catch shit no matter WHAT they do. And from an objective point of view, I suppose it's better to have people mad as hell at you than to have shit blowing up in peoples neighborhoods AND having people mad as hell at you. They're CEO's of a corporation, and they made a decision based on what was best for the company. The workers get shit on because of it, but the company stays afloat. Yeah, it sucks nuts, but what the fuck can they do? If anyone else has a better idea, I'm sure America would love to hear it.

2014 is right around the corner. That means the next batch of hopefuls for the 2016 election will be coming out to start gaining support. I'm sure a few of these dickheads are gonna claim that they wanna end the Patriot Act and all the unconstitutional spying on people. But when these same dickheads get elected, don't act surprised when they don't keep their promise to do it. Like I've said before, the Patriot Act was passed already, and it's NEVER getting repealed, EVER. Anybody who wants to carry pitchforks and torches in the street about it should've gotten off their lazy asses to do it BEFORE it was passed.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 20, 2013, 11:05:09 AM
I personally think people holding rallies like that are jumping the gun a little bit and taking things a little too far out of proportion. Still, I'm kinda glad there's people like that who will jump at any chance to protest the government when it may not really be warranted. If shit does get worse, I'll gladly jump on the wagon with them. But for now, I'm more than happy to sit on the sidelines and watch them probably waste their breath.


Well i could almost say you have gained a bit more respect from me with that statement. (which probably doesn't mean much to you anyways) on top of adding value to valid conversations, However since you added a bit of a caveat, that respect would have to sit on the sidelines as well.

The rest of the conversation. However, There was a bit of truth to it but also some misinformation based on individual perception. any further explanation will probably be looked at as moot points. that is why people must research for themselves.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 20, 2013, 01:04:34 PM
Well i could almost say you have gained a bit more respect from me with that statement. (which probably doesn't mean much to you anyways) on top of adding value to valid conversations, However since you added a bit of a caveat, that respect would have to sit on the sidelines as well.

Well you and your respect are going to be sitting right beside me on the sidelines, because I sure as fuck don't see YOU in any rally videos on youtube. When was the last time you "ACTUALLY" did or said anything to anyone about your oppressive government?

That's pretty much a rhetorical question.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 20, 2013, 09:09:48 PM
Well you and your respect are going to be sitting right beside me on the sidelines, because I sure as fuck don't see YOU in any rally videos on youtube. When was the last time you "ACTUALLY" did or said anything to anyone about your oppressive government?

social networking.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 21, 2013, 03:01:59 AM
Reposting youtube videos on facebook is NOT "doing something".
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 21, 2013, 08:43:47 AM
Reposting youtube videos on facebook is NOT "doing something".


don't assume to know what i do. even if that were true, it's alot better than "doing nothing".
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 21, 2013, 08:53:12 AM
Reposting youtube videos on facebook is NOT "doing something".


don't assume to know what i do. even if that were true, it's alot better than "doing nothing".

The fact that you aren't detailing anything you might do INSTEAD of reposting videos to facebook tells me that you repost videos to facebook. :D
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 21, 2013, 08:57:41 AM
The fact that you aren't detailing anything you might do INSTEAD of reposting videos to facebook tells me that you repost videos to facebook. :D


i don't need to explain what i do in my free time.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 21, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
The fact that you aren't detailing anything you might do INSTEAD of reposting videos to facebook tells me that you repost videos to facebook. :D


i don't need to explain what i do in my free time.

Until you do, you don't get my respect either, you complacent ignorant police-state loyalist. :lolup:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 21, 2013, 09:51:07 AM

Until you do, you don't get my respect either, you complacent ignorant police-state loyalist. :lolup:

must like my respect means to you, your respect means the same.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 21, 2013, 10:00:12 AM

Until you do, you don't get my respect either, you complacent ignorant police-state loyalist. :lolup:

must like my respect means to you, your respect means the same.

But your respect gives me an erection... Oooooooooh.... read you LOUD AND CLEAR, buddy. ;)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 21, 2013, 10:10:23 AM
But your respect gives me an erection... Oooooooooh.... read you LOUD AND CLEAR, buddy. ;)

in other words, my respect means nothing and so does yours? your respect outweights a slew of others? i see. focalor  respect = > everyone else's (other than game forums)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 21, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/c5Gf0VKXk5Q


http://www.youtube.com/v/QMBZDwf9dok
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 26, 2013, 10:26:37 PM
So apparently Nelson Mandela is at deaths doorstep. For the life of me, I can't really understand why so many people in the US look at this guy like he's some kind of saint. Sure, apartheid was shitty, and sure he was anti-apartheid, but he was also neck deep in Communist philosophy. How so many Americans can look at him like he's greater than Martin Luther King Jr is beyond me. I guess a lot of people aren't completely aware of who he was and what he did to get imprisoned in the first place. ::)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on July 20, 2013, 02:28:47 AM
yea, i dunno. i didn't really delve too much into who mandela was. if The communist philosphy is true, then it wouldn't give him any points from me either. i think it's mainly the MSM's deception and half-truths that allow the unmotivated to accept what they are told about news and events. that is a big problem with society today. News media owned by a handful of conglomorates. CNN MSNBC FOX etc. it's 2 flavors of the same Cola.


education has always been at the core of a nations success. we live in a time where money controls what people see and hear. old soviet style conditioning 24/7. fortunately more people are realizing this day by day.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on July 20, 2013, 04:46:12 AM
we live in a time where money controls what people see and hear. old soviet style conditioning 24/7. fortunately more people are realizing this day by day.

 :D Fortunately? Hehe, well I'm not quite as optimistic as you. If by "realizing" it you mean they are witnessing it, then hell yes. They're sucking it up through a straw right the fuck into their heads like a coke fiend faster than the corporations can line it out for them.

I mean Nelson Mandela wasn't truly horrible. I don't think him or his party or paramilitary group were engaged in anything bad like genocide. Once he was released from prison and came to power, his party finally put an end to apartheid, which is obviously a good thing. For nearly 50 years, the white ruling class basically had every opportunity to shit all over the black and native population and then they REALLY started fucking them up the ass when they outlawed any black political representation in the 70's. It all started happening about the time that World War II ended. One might even be able to say that Nazi's actually had a part in it. In the 30's, a South African Nazi party (I forget what they were called exactly) began petitioning the National Party in South Africa to prohibit the immigration of jews to South Africa. I think around the end of World War II, some of the members of that party actually ended up joining the National Party which instated apartheid after the 1948 South African election.

So anyway, yeah, obviously apartheid was fucking horrible. What kinda irks me about it is that in days gone by, Americans would've been trashing the shit out of a person like Mandela for his admitted communist political philosophy. But then again, these days many twits from the younger American generation positively romanticize assholes like Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, who are a THOUSAND times worse than Mandela.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on July 20, 2013, 05:28:25 AM
Well after reading a bit about Che Guevara, it's quite apparent to any logical person that the man was clearly a villain. he was a devout communist that had a hand in killing many people, for many reasons. Just because someone does some good, it doesn't negate the horrible shit that they do.

Ultimately he became what he fought against. The man had a doublethink mentality. Whether it was for power or a committed anti-capitalist. Those who think in black and white would folow such a person.

It's quite disgusting that so many people revere the man, He didn't defend his country, he went on a crusade against so called "imperialism". i'm sure he thought he was getting rid of the dictators, only to become one in the process. yet most of them don't even know what he has done at all. someone made clothing lines popular and the lemmings just followed the trend.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on July 20, 2013, 06:19:30 AM
Che Guevara wasn't actually in power himself anywhere long enough to be a "dictator", at least in my opinion. That's on Castro. Sure, there were some fucked up parts of the economy in Cuba before the revolution, but the "hope and change" (wink wink) that he vowed to bring... well, he brought plenty of change. And then HE HIMSELF changed to become just as oppressive as the previous regime. Castro pretty much blamed the United States for the corrupt police state that had taken over Cuba through the Batista regime, but in reality, you can't really blame the US entirely for it. Kennedy never ORDERED Batista to conduct himself that way. Batista was trying like hell to gain more and more support from the wealthy United States in order to better his own country, he just had a pretty shitty way of doing it, and obviously the reason WHY he did it was to prevent revolt.

Anyway, after Cuba came completely under Castro, the United States attempted to overthrow Communist control during the Bay of Pigs invasion. I think after that, Guevara cleaned the shit out of his britches after realizing how they had dodged a bullet with their name on it. He then disappeared to evade any further US assassination attempts only to resurface in Bolivia where he was attempting to lead a Bolivian revolution similar to the one in Cuba. He failed miserably though and was eventually caught and executed by the Bolivian military. God bless the fuckin' Bolivians. If that asshole had succeeded, things would be FAR worse in Bolivia today than they already are. Just look at the Congo region to see what kind of shit he was sowing. The Congo is STILL a fucking madhouse warzone no thanks to that pricks shit stirring.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on November 05, 2013, 05:53:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/4HXfxaqH2Us&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 06, 2014, 06:58:54 PM
June 6th, 1944.

On this day 70 years ago, 12,000+ US and British men gave their lives on Omaha, Utah, Gold, Juno, and Sword Beaches in the D-Day invasion of Normandy, France. In one day, over 150,000 allied US and British soldiers crossed the English Channel to gain their first foothold in the European theater of war, a single event which effected the course of human history for everyone on this entire planet.

There's plenty of reasons to be upset with the state of affairs in this country and with certain things that happen in Washington DC. There's plenty of reasons to be ashamed of the government and politicians. But if there's anything at all be proud of as an American, it's how multiple thousands of ordinary American men from all walks of life showed true grit and resolve in the face of opposition and death to secure a freer future for all of humanity.

Semper mother fucking Fi to the greatest generation.

Can't say i disagree. However when i see articles like this, i tend to think wtf?? it's gotta be bullshit but damn.. what if?

http://www.thesugafactory.com/index.php/fbi-releases-documents-proving-adolf-hitler-and-eva-braun-fled-to-argentina-in-a-submarine/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on July 22, 2014, 12:38:15 AM
http://gunsnfreedom.com/jack-in-the-box-robbed-at-gun-point-again-3rd-time-since-guns-were-banned-from-store/

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on August 08, 2014, 12:06:26 PM
http://benswann.com/obama-administration-bullies-banks-to-cut-ties-with-gun-dealers/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on September 27, 2014, 07:07:51 PM
http://mic.com/articles/99924/this-kid-s-face-during-a-town-hall-on-race-after-ferguson-is-just-what-we-re-all-thinking


Video is actually 1 hour long. someone must have recorded straight from the pbs feed.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on October 09, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10389191_10152754057158189_3962511870283775063_n.jpg?oh=11fcaa6b14b578bc6700c522e01ff587&oe=54BE03E5)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 08, 2014, 03:29:32 PM
I thought this was a good article.  I was somewhat surprised to see someone print an article that stated the obvious and not just go with what gets headlines.
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2014/12/08/comply-another-unarmed-man-shot-police/20104009/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 08, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
On a related note, this GracieBreakdown analysis of the neck restraint used on Eric Garner was released about a week after the incident, after the initial coroner's report became available.

I'd watched the video then, and watched it again a couple nights ago to refresh my memory.

It's lengthy, but good viewing for anyone who's heard the media-popularized story claiming the neck restraint directly caused the Eric's breathing problem:

https://www.youtube.com/v/Nql1xRtWKOU

tl;dr: "No, the "Choke" did not cause Eric Garner's death."


:exqueezeme:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 08, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
Wait a minute here... he had asthma... and was selling single cigarettes? So chances are pretty good he was smoking the cigarettes too, even though he had asthma. In that case, even something like taking a really big dump and pushing too hard could probably be the straw that broke the camels back.

On one hand, if he's flipping smokes to people at about a quarter a piece, big fucking deal. These fucking cops need to go find something better to do. It's New York fuckin' City, there's PLENTY of shit for them to do besides fucking with people for basically nothing at all.

But if he's out front of someones convenience store constantly (which is what I recall reading about the incident not long ago) selling cigarettes for more than about a quarter a piece and making a decent profit doing it, or selling them to people who could be younger than 18 (unless the legal age for smoking in NYC is 21 now... which wouldn't surprise me if fuckin' Bloomberg did that), then yeah, if I were the store owner, I'd call someone to run him off too.

One thing I do notice from the video, is that the officers didn't spend too much time (if ANY at all) giving him customary orders when arresting someone like loudly ordering them to, "turn around, place your hands on your head", or anything like that. They really didn't give him an opportunity to comply before just lunging and grabbing him. And a lot of times, that is the WRONG approach to take when effecting an arrest. That actually CAUSES more of a struggle because the person only knows that they're being attacked. It's happened to me personally. Got stopped one night for speeding, I was pretty damn drunk, and I figured the cop could tell I was pretty tanked so I was naturally nervous and was standing with my hands in my pockets. Cop asked me once not to put my hands in my pockets, but my mind was thinking 100 different things, mostly "oh shit, I'm fixing to go to jail again." So out nervousness without really remembering he had told me NOT to do it, I stuffed both my hands in my pockets again as I was talking with him. I'm standing there thinking everything is fine, then all the sudden he screams "GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF YOUR POCKETS!!!!", grabs me, throws me up against the trunk of his car, bashes my head into the trunk and starts kneeing the shit out of my thigh. Naturally, I had no idea what the fuck he was trying to do other than beat the living hell out of me, so of course I was trying to scoot away from where the knees were coming at me from. And then at that point, the other cop joins in slamming my head on the trunk and beating my back with his baton while the other one is kicking the shit out of my thigh and ribs while screaming "STOP RESISTING!!! STOP RESISTING!!!" I told him, "I'm NOT resisting! You're beating the shit out of me! What the fuck am I supposed to do!?! Smile and laugh about it!?!"

So at that point, a simple DUI and +20mph speeding violation turned into speeding, DUI, resisting arrest, assaulting an officer, and invalid tag. And I had the fucking sticker for the tag. It was a few days out of date, I had it in the glove box and just hadn't stuck it on yet. They didn't have to cite me for it, but they were "nice" enough to fuckin' do it any damn way. Thanks so much.

But... a couple of month later some joker ran from the same cop, flipped his truck, and when the cop came running over to check for survivors, the dudes jumped out with shotguns and blasted him deader than hell. Not to mention about a year or two later, that entire department got fired and criminally prosecuted for a whole bevy of corruption related things.

What goes around, comes around. Karma is an unforgiving motherfucker.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 09, 2014, 09:56:46 PM
I CAN'T BREATHE!!!!

Oh, Lebron... if only that shirt were true. ;)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 10, 2014, 01:38:30 AM
Ladies and Genitalia... welcome to the official pussification of America.

http://news.yahoo.com/columbia-law-school-lets--traumatized--students-postpone-finals-after-non-indictments-in-eric-garner--michael-brown-cases-170145848.html

Traumatized? If this shit "traumatizes" enough people to warrant some silly bullshit like this, then I gotta say... not so proud to be an American anymore. Shitty things that you don't like are gonna happen in life. The world doesn't stop turning just because you got your feelings hurt. The world doesn't stop turning even when people fucking DIE. Get the fuck over it and move on.

And the worst part about it is all these people protesting over THIS. This? Of all the crooked fucked up shit in the world that you could be displeased about, you people pick THIS to protest en masse about? Way to use your time wisely, you bunch of brainless fucknuts. Just like the whole Occupy Wallstreet thing. What the fuck was that supposed to accomplish? It did NOTHING. It was a huge aimless directionless exercise in futility. Everyone standing in the street, shouting up at the corporate fatasses in their penthouse apartments, "WE DON'T LIKE BEING POOR!" Meanwhile, the corporate fatasses were sitting on their 9,000 dollar leather sofas watching it all on the news on their gigantic 200 inch flat screen tv's thinking to themselves, "Yeah, I don't like being poor either... that's why I'm NOT."

This clinically depressed pill popping consumerist society of completely oblivious pussified whiney little sissy bitches. I can't decide which I hate worse: the government, or the stupid fucking spineless incompetent idiots under it who surround me. :razzberry:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 10, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
On and On ...


https://www.youtube.com/v/0EXwRfeBgLs

https://www.youtube.com/v/RFdb03kNH8E

https://www.youtube.com/v/KROIs2EDIAk

https://www.youtube.com/v/ArhUgfkqAks

https://www.youtube.com/v/DaDP8YLCKj4

https://www.youtube.com/v/pg0x7EhfqDc

https://www.youtube.com/v/ilgQ_vMGgEc

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 10, 2014, 11:27:32 AM
http://educateinspirechange.org/alternative-news/now-illegal-film-police-illinois/

http://sointune.com/2014/12/10/its-now-illegal-to-secretly-record-the-police-in-illinois/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 10, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
http://educateinspirechange.org/alternative-news/now-illegal-film-police-illinois/

http://sointune.com/2014/12/10/its-now-illegal-to-secretly-record-the-police-in-illinois/

I hope you read the 2nd link completely before deciding this was anything to be outraged about. What this bill covers is laws that are ALREADY on the books. It's already BEEN illegal to do what this bill is describing. It covers wire tapping, and the language of it states that at least one party involved in the conversation must be aware that it is being recorded. What this means is that any person can talk to someone while recording the conversation without the other person knowing and they are not legally obligated to TELL them that they are recording the conversation before it happens. It's still illegal to eavesdrop and record a conversation between 2 other individuals without either of them knowing about it, unless a wire tapping warrant has been secured.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: QwazyWabbit on December 10, 2014, 06:06:56 PM
The Illinois law is an expansion of the wiretap law into the operation of police in public. While it may appear to be merely applicable to "private" conversations it is intended to be used to harass, intimidate and potentially arrest and charge people for recording police while they are in public. It can be used by police to arrest you for recording them after a traffic stop or even after they have contacted you on the street. These interactions can be construed by the police to be "private" conversations with you when in fact they are occurring in public where there is no expectation of privacy.

I am against any law that gives police officers, or any public official for that matter, any protection from being recorded while interacting with members of the public in the course of their duties. Police, judges, district attorneys, mayors and council members work for the PEOPLE and as such the people are entitled to know when they are losing their tempers, cursing, being violent and in any way, shape or form, using their authority to abuse people.

The place to argue about points of law is not in the street with the officer but in a court of law. A citizen is powerless in the face of cops who are willing to commit perjury for each other after they have beat down a citizen and hauled him off on false charges.

The police are out of control, that's for certain, when officers can say, "I'm going to fuck you up", follow that threat with an illegal assault, kill their victim and be acquitted of murder even in the face of video and audio evidence that they committed the unlawful acts under color of authority.

To those would video tape police on the street I say do it, do it a lot, keep watching them and keep them honest.

The only reason they are trying to make these laws stronger is because the videos are proving the points that the police are abusing their powers and if it's allowed to continue it will get worse.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 11, 2014, 01:11:14 AM
The Illinois law is an expansion of the wiretap law into the operation of police in public. While it may appear to be merely applicable to "private" conversations it is intended to be used to harass, intimidate and potentially arrest and charge people for recording police while they are in public. It can be used by police to arrest you for recording them after a traffic stop or even after they have contacted you on the street. These interactions can be construed by the police to be "private" conversations with you when in fact they are occurring in public where there is no expectation of privacy.

Far be it from me to actually side with the government, but from the wording of these articles, it appears to be nothing more than a slight stiffening of penalties concerning wiretapping laws that already existed. I don't see how anyone could think it's possible that this one individual state law would somehow negate the federal nationwide wiretapping laws. Maybe. I mean the Chicago police have been famous in the past for widespread corruption, so have most other Northeastern major city police forces, whether it be corruption from within or corruption tied into and bankrolled by organized crime. But the kind of blatant corruption and misuse of the law you're describing would be pretty damned BOLD to effect. BALLS, it would take. BIG ONES. And any state prosecuting attorney willing to take on such a case (claiming that someone violated wiretapping laws by recording an interaction they had with police) would possibly be committing career suicide if the case expanded into federal court. And I seriously doubt that it even would. A judge would take one look at it, laugh, and disbar the attorney.

It's already perfectly legal for any undercover law enforcement to lie to anyone about their true identity in the course of their operational duties. Many people seem to think that if you're buying drugs from an undercover cop or soliciting prostitution from an undercover vice cop and you clearly ask them, "Are you a cop?", that they MUST tell you that they are if they are. Wrong. They can lie. They can record the conversation with you containing that lie, and there's nothing you can do about it in court. Because... only ONE party in any private conversation must be aware that it's being recorded. The only exception is when a wiretapping warrant is secured, and because it's felony to violate this law, judges go over evidence and assure that there is proper probable cause before issuing the warrant. Basically what I'm saying is that the law works both ways, for private citizens, as well as for law enforcement.

We can talk about how this law is "intended" to harass and intimidate people from lawfully recording interactions they have with police and law enforcement, but the language of the law itself is clearly stated and "intention" cannot be debated in court. It's there in black and white. Anyone who might find this law intimidating is uninformed of the law, and possibly law enforcement would attempt to use this law to persuade the uninformed to comply with any requests to stop recording them when it's perfectly legal to do so, but it's everyone's responsibility to inform themselves of the law.

To those would video tape police on the street I say do it, do it a lot, keep watching them and keep them honest.

I echo this sentiment. They might attempt to misuse this new law to convince the ignorant that law enforcement has the ability to lawfully arrest you for recording interactions with them, but they don't, not "lawfully". I'm not saying they wouldn't still arrest you and throw you in jail for it. They CAN arrest you and throw you in jail for ANYTHING. They fuck up all the time. They're human, they're not paid very much, and the pay scale and hazard of the job means that many of them aren't the most intelligent people you'll ever hope to meet. And if they attempt to do so, it would be in your best interests to comply and go quietly. But if they do, just smile and remain friendly and compliant. You honestly have no reason not to. If you know the law, you know you're not doing anything illegal and they can't convict you.

But as always, the best way to avoid being arrested is by never coming into contact with police in the first place. These people that go out with their cameras actively looking for police to film for their stupid YouTube channels/internet fame and effectively WELCOMING an interaction with them... not a good idea. The best way not to be harassed by them is to never be around them. Don't do shit or be in situations where police might come along. If they're gonna harass and intimidate anyone, let them do it to some other sucker.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 11, 2014, 05:08:40 PM
The Illinois law is an expansion of the wiretap law into the operation of police in public. While it may appear to be merely applicable to "private" conversations it is intended to be used to harass, intimidate and potentially arrest and charge people for recording police while they are in public. It can be used by police to arrest you for recording them after a traffic stop or even after they have contacted you on the street. These interactions can be construed by the police to be "private" conversations with you when in fact they are occurring in public where there is no expectation of privacy.

I am against any law that gives police officers, or any public official for that matter, any protection from being recorded while interacting with members of the public in the course of their duties. Police, judges, district attorneys, mayors and council members work for the PEOPLE and as such the people are entitled to know when they are losing their tempers, cursing, being violent and in any way, shape or form, using their authority to abuse people.

The place to argue about points of law is not in the street with the officer but in a court of law. A citizen is powerless in the face of cops who are willing to commit perjury for each other after they have beat down a citizen and hauled him off on false charges.

The police are out of control, that's for certain, when officers can say, "I'm going to fuck you up", follow that threat with an illegal assault, kill their victim and be acquitted of murder even in the face of video and audio evidence that they committed the unlawful acts under color of authority.

To those would video tape police on the street I say do it, do it a lot, keep watching them and keep them honest.

The only reason they are trying to make these laws stronger is because the videos are proving the points that the police are abusing their powers and if it's allowed to continue it will get worse.

^^ This guy knows what's up
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 11, 2014, 05:16:03 PM

 it would be in your best interests to comply and go quietly. But if they do, just smile and remain friendly and compliant. You honestly have no reason not to. If you know the law, you know you're not doing anything illegal and they can't convict you.

But as always, the best way to avoid being arrested is by never coming into contact with police in the first place. These people that go out with their cameras actively looking for police to film for their stupid YouTube channels/internet fame and effectively WELCOMING an interaction with them... not a good idea. The best way not to be harassed by them is to never be around them. Don't do shit or be in situations where police might come along. If they're gonna harass and intimidate anyone, let them do it to some other sucker.

Even if you comply, they still make shit up and say "you're resisting". you of all people should know that. But yea the second paragraph advice beyond that,  rings true.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 11, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
They're human, they're not paid very much, and the pay scale and hazard of the job

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/bureau-labor-statistics-released-top-10-dangerous-jobs-report-police-officer/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 11, 2014, 05:19:58 PM
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-face-charges-breaking-womans-face-handcuffed-cruiser/#kABAReX8f3jV1Wjs.99
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 11, 2014, 06:44:30 PM
Even if you comply, they still make shit up and say "you're resisting". you of all people should know that.

ALL of them? I know plenty, and I know a few cops too, and I know that not ALL of them are ego tripping assholes. And like I said before, it's YOUR responsibility to know your rights and to know how to handle yourself during an interaction with cops. If they have no reason whatsoever to beat the shit out of you, chances are pretty good that they aren't gonna beat the shit out of you. If you're talking about my experience I related earlier, I was drunk and speeding, which gave them probable cause to pull me over. Then I put my hands in my pockets after he told me NOT to, which gave him probable cause to subdue/beat me. Not saying it was right for them to beat my ass with batons, but it wasn't right for me to not keep my hands visible at all times either. I wasn't blameless. Shit happens. Live and learn. 95% of the time when someone's a victim of police brutality, they've done something to put themselves in the situation where they had to interact with the cop. Cops pulling people over completely at random and beating the shit out of them? Not a thing.

I've seen tons of these videos on YouTube where these morons go to police checkpoints and refuse to answer any questions or roll their window down. That shit is WELCOMING problems. There's no need for it if you haven't done anything wrong. You're being stand-off-ish and it makes them suspicious of you when they otherwise wouldn't be. The idea is to NOT get their attention. Show them ID when they ask, answer any questions that won't incriminate you, and then move the fuck along quicker. I'd rather be annoyed by having to show my ID to a cop for a 2 minutes than to assert my rights like these dildos on YouTube and end up going to court when the cop gets pissed off by my perceived attitude problem and writes me a ticket for something stupid that probably won't even stick and will just waste MORE of my time.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: QwazyWabbit on December 14, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Because... only ONE party in any private conversation must be aware that it's being recorded. The only exception is when a wiretapping warrant is secured, and because it's felony to violate this law, judges go over evidence and assure that there is proper probable cause before issuing the warrant. Basically what I'm saying is that the law works both ways, for private citizens, as well as for law enforcement.

We can talk about how this law is "intended" to harass and intimidate people from lawfully recording interactions they have with police and law enforcement, but the language of the law itself is clearly stated and "intention" cannot be debated in court. It's there in black and white. Anyone who might find this law intimidating is uninformed of the law, and possibly law enforcement would attempt to use this law to persuade the uninformed to comply with any requests to stop recording them when it's perfectly legal to do so, but it's everyone's responsibility to inform themselves of the law.


The one-party statement you make is incorrect. It varies by state. California is a two-party state, both/all parties to a conversation must know and ascent to recording a conversation or the recording of that conversation is illegal. Wisconsin is a one-party state. The one-party rule is FAR from universal. Of course, police can and often do wire themselves but a warrant must be obtained or the evidence is inadmissible. (But it's easy to find a judge to write a warrant for the purpose.) This doesn't make it illegal in one-party states but it would also be illegal without a warrant in a two-party state.

Of course, they can always put a camera/audio setup on the cop or in the car and record a uniformed officer as he goes about his duties and that system can conveniently malfunction or the recordings lost when a critical case becomes an issue. Which is why it's important for citizens to have the right to record/video tape any officer or incident on the street or in their homes without fear of arrest or prosecution.

The point of the Illinois law is to make it possible for officers to arrest or detain any citizen for an action that is and should be perfectly legal. It creates a crime where none should exist. This directly infringes upon the freedoms and liberties of citizens and it is intended to chill or prevent someone from filming police incidents like the Rodney King beating and the New York choke-hold death.

As far as I am concerned every uniformed cop everywhere should be wearing audio/video recording equipment that is verified functional at the start and end of every shift and is confiscated from the officer immediately and downloaded to a secured system upon use of force against a suspect, especially in the use of deadly force. If officer Wilson had been wired, the video evidence would have proved who was lying and who was telling the truth and there would be no issue about the shooting of Michael Brown today.

As far as intent of laws, the intent of a law is debated every day in courts of law all over this country and courts often use their discretion when interpreting the language of a law. The SCOTUS addresses the intent of laws and the meaning and interpretation of those laws every day. It's the very reason the court exists. The question is, are you going to strike down a bill before it becomes law where the intent is clear at its face or are you going to sit in prison for the next ten or fifteen years waiting for your case to climb up the appeals process and be debated and struck down by SCOTUS?

As far as "knowing the law" is concerned, a citizen cannot even walk down a street without potentially being charged with breaking a law. The number of state laws, county ordinances and city ordinances is so numerous that no citizen can be fully informed on a daily basis as to what laws they might be breaking. Police are trained upon contact with a citizen to phrase questions such that the citizen will incriminate himself if he gives ANY answer to a question. The "Do you know why I stopped you?" question is exactly that. If you offer any reason, even if it wasn't HIS reason for stopping you, it can be used as evidence against you in court and can even be used to add a charge greater than the reason for the stop in the first place.

Watch any cop show, the technique is very simple, observe a suspect until something "chargeable" occurs, contact the suspect, escalate the situation, either by interrogation or by seeking more evidence, "Do you mind if I search your car?", these are all designed to aid the officer in obtaining more evidence against you and more probable cause to detain or arrest you.

They are trained to say "stop resisting" when taking you down in order to establish the evidence that you were resisting even though you weren't. If your arm strikes an officer as he's trying to handcuff you, you can be charged with assault upon an officer even though the action wasn't voluntary or even if it was caused by the actions of the officers themselves. YOU are at fault and YOU will be the one defending yourself in court with four cops all saying you resisted and no evidence on your behalf to support your innocence.

In Austin Texas this year a 24 year old female jogger was arrested for "failure to identify", "resisting arrest" and assaulting an officer after being accosted by a fat fuck of a police officer for jaywalking. A simple citation was escalated to these charges because the officer failed to identify himself properly grabbed the female from behind without identifying himself as a police officer and then taking her to the ground because she reacted, as anyone might, by shaking him off before she knew who he was.

http://www.infowars.com/cops-arrest-jogger-for-jaywalking-failure-to-identify/

This is the kind of shit that needs to stop happening in this country.

Yes, one should know the law. The first order of business is knowing your Miranda rights. Don't answer questions, don't admit to anything, identify yourself, don't consent to search of your person or your car/home, ask if you are being detained or are free to go, immediately leave the area if you are not detained, do not debate any points of law with the officer, he's not there to be a sidewalk lawyer, he's there to find a reason to detain you. Don't give him one. If you are being detained you have a right to know the reason. If you are arrested you have a right to know the charge. You have a right to contact an attorney and you MUST NOT answer any questions other than your identity and place of residence no matter what questions may be put to you. REMAIN SILENT. There's a reason that's the first Miranda right.

Above all, know this, your right to remain silent begins at the moment you are contacted, not after you have been arrested or had your Miranda rights read to you. Know that everything you say or do from the moment you are contacted by police can be used to detain or arrest and charge you and that it can all be used against you in court. Officers can file charges but they don't have to stick. DA's can dismiss them for lack of evidence, courts can dismiss them for violations of rules of evidence or lack of evidence, don't give away your rights on the streets with cops who think every citizen is a suspect.

Liberty is being encroached every day by cops who think every pocket has a gun, every car has drugs in it, and every citizen can be searched or accosted because he "might" be selling cigarettes. Liberties are being violated by legislators that write bad laws with bad intent because "we need more laws" to prevent people from <insert favorite pastime here> because that shit should be illegal.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 15, 2014, 06:21:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/UsRV3y37qcs
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on February 19, 2015, 10:12:02 AM
one of those for the hoorah's

https://www.youtube.com/v/raFHlwVp4LI
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 19, 2015, 03:12:06 PM
Yeah.

I'm not anti-American though, I'm just anti-this-fucked-up-crooked-assed-government-we-got. The system is fine, it's the people in it. All they have is dollar signs in their eyes and they don't care about anything else... like "is it legal?", "is it ethical?", none of that shit. I'm all for us finding ways to make money and prosper, but none of this shit is doing it. It's just a scheme for these assholes in the house and senate to get rich off the taxpayers and help their friends get rich off the taxpayers. It's digging our hole deeper and deeper, inch by inch, year by year.

Saw some shit on the news today about these people pitching a fit about school teachers who obtain masters degrees automatically being given raises. What's the fucking problem? Teachers with more education makes them more qualified to do that job. Years ago, teachers used to get more money and with less education under their belts. States have cut and cut their salaries until these teachers can't even make a living wage anymore. So it's no wonder that they don't "care" about their students or give a shit about doing their jobs well. It's no wonder that test scores are awful because of it. And it's because teachers are thought of as fucking pawns to state government. Their voices don't matter, they have no power, so fuck 'em, pay 'em NOTHING. And while they pay teachers just enough to keep them showing up everyday, they're spending the money these teachers SHOULD be getting on stupid bullshit that doesn't make any sense to someone with a brain who should be formulating a WORKING state budget. And when they have deficits, they just do things like raise property taxes or sales taxes. They raise "excise" taxes on alcohol and tobacco, because fuck those people, they're killing themselves anyway, nobody gives a shit what a smoker or drinker says. They raise money with lottery bullshit. And then when even all that isn't enough (and it damn well SHOULD BE, because lotteries rake in OBSCENE amounts of money - which goes to exemplify how bad these pricks are at balancing a checkbook and spending within limits), then they start going along with these assholes that wanna build gambling casinos and all sorts of gambling businesses (horse racing, greyhound racing, sports betting, etc) like they're now trying to do in downtown Atlanta - Which is one of the most corrupt major city governments in the united states right now. They can't pinch any more money from teachers or the police or anyone else, so fuck it, we'll just pinch the taxpaying nobodies. They don't like it? Fuck 'em, let 'em vote us out, then we'll have another party approved candidate take our place and keep on truckin' without missing a beat.

It's just fucking ridiculous that state and federal government are allowed to do all the shit they do, and everyone knows about it, and nobody seems to have the power to put a fucking stop to it. Like he says in the video, it's a criminal enterprise, and they're stealing from each and every last fucking one of us. Meanwhile, you have a small group of citizens that get categorized as a "gang", and when they rip off one or two groups of other people or sell dope, this same government has the unmitigated gall to come down on them with all of their weight like it's these piddly street gang punks that are mainly to blame for why things are so fucked up top to bottom. ::) Not saying street gang punks aren't bad, just saying that the majority of their numbers are a product of the conditions of this severely mismanaged system, mismanaged to the point of culpable criminal negligence.

If a couple of us around here decided join up and start PMing others saying, "Give us 20 dollars a week via paypal or we'll infect you with a virus.", the police could arrest us, charge us under the RICO statute, and put us in prison for a LOOOOOOONG time. But when these assholes in the state and federal governments do kinda-sorta the same thing,... there is no RICO statute or anything like it that will apply to them. It's long overdue that these politicians pink assholes finally meet the pointy end of the justice system stick that they've been waving at everyone else all this time with complete immunity.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 19, 2015, 07:41:51 PM
The price of oil has been speculated and pontificated and masterbated and whatever-else-ated in the news lately. Americans are happy that the price of gas has gone down, but they've been warning us that it's gonna skyrocket again. "Don't get too used to it, dummies.", they've been saying. Lo and behold, now the new tune is that prices are gonna fall even MORE. It's around 50 bucks a barrel now (down from 100-120), and it's expected to go as low as 10 bucks a barrel. Why? Because these middle eastern oil barons are basically declaring economic war on one another. They've ramped up production, flooded the markets, lowered the demand and the value for their product, and refuse to stop until they finally bankrupt the competition.

So yeah, while shit's fucking AWESOME right now... don't expect it to stay that way forever. Because when they finally reach the point where they've successfully starved one another out of existence, they'll then have even MORE of a monopoly on the entire supply, and when these people can't fight each other with their prices anymore, they're liable to start doing it with armies and bombs.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on July 25, 2015, 06:13:26 AM
Ok so monsanto is lobbying congress to pass this Dark act, which is the biggest shit stain on the food markets these days.

http://gmwatch.org/news/latest-news/16307-gmo-food-fight-hits-us-house-of-representative


even though "official" scientists have said that GMO is "possibly carcinogenic"

http://www.rt.com/news/268987-24d-chemical-possibly-carcinogenic-who/


Meanwhile other independent scientists studies are showing pictures of rats with tumors. statistics also show that 1 in 3 people will develop cancer in their lifetime.. Also, europe has mostly banned GMO crops. (must know something) However not in good ol America.. USA's GMO food stock is 70%. So you have to ask the question, why does monsanto want to deny people the right to know what they are eating?

https://www.youtube.com/v/csSw3fYnICc


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on August 27, 2015, 02:25:23 PM
http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2015/08/27/Man_charged_in_death_of_9_year_old_girl_in_Ferguson.html

Where are all the "Black Lives Matter" people when you talk about this story  :dohdohdoh:

The Black community looks the other way for the most part when it is a Black on Black shooting. 
I am assuming the De'Eris Brown is Black  :evilking:  I know the 9 year old girl he shot was black.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on October 12, 2015, 01:13:03 PM
Traditional Columbus Day under fire - http://news.yahoo.com/more-cities-recognize-native-americans-columbus-day-152051921.html

This is why Columbus Day has been honored up till now - http://www.history.com/topics/exploration/columbus-day

I think we should create another federal holiday to "celebrate the history and contributions of indigenous cultures around the country."
This has nothing to do with me being a federal employee  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on October 12, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
California to ban 'Redskins' for school sports, keep Confederate building names. - http://news.yahoo.com/california-ban-redskins-school-sports-keep-confederate-building-224148830--nfl.html

At least they are not trying to make Confederate history they don't like fade away.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on October 12, 2015, 09:54:55 PM
redskins is blatantly racist....

they shouldve changed the name a long time ago.... they got no brain though.

they should call themselves the washington monuments or something. maybe focalor can convince them to call themselves the washington freeMANs jaja

 :rocketright: :rocketleft:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 13, 2015, 02:51:56 AM
Or maybe someone can call your mommy on the telephone and ask her what the fuck to call them, you retard.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on October 13, 2015, 07:47:47 AM
tonight is the democratic debate. all eyes on hilary and bernie. who will win the nite!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 13, 2015, 06:47:50 PM
Jim Webb, a guy from my area, was the one I agreed with the most. Bernie sanders was the most honest candidate, although Webb was too I feel. I just disagree with sanders more. Webb just has no chance of winning. O'mally and the other clown are morons. I don't like Hillary, I don't trust her, fuck her.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 13, 2015, 06:57:19 PM
Wow, do black lives matter or all lives matter?? SERIOUSLY??!!?!??!? Fuck you CNN. Thank you Webb for the only reasonable answer to an absurd question when left to 2 choices.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 13, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Jim Webb, a guy from my area, was the one I agreed with the most. Bernie sanders was the most honest candidate, although Webb was too I feel. I just disagree with sanders more. Webb just has no chance of winning. O'mally and the other clown are morons. I don't like Hillary, I don't trust her, fuck her.

Pretty much agreed across the board. I was impressed with Webb. He tended not to talk in platitudes, and would start talking in realpolitik terms about gradations of what actually might be possible to accomplish. (How rare is that?)

I can't recall the last time I've heard a candidate flatly state that nuclear is a key component of a non-fossil-based energy future, as Webb did. At that point I remarked to my wife: oh shit, he said something true, he's doomed.


:exqueezeme:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 14, 2015, 04:33:37 AM
Polls at slate and time magazines, Washington post, Fox News, and 1 or 2 others say sanders won mentioning Webb or Clinton next. CNN, msnbc, ny times, time magazine(not their online poll) and the vast majority all claim Hillary won by a landslide. Some going to the extent that she's already solidified the nomination. Most of these news sources mocked all 4 other candidates as well.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on October 14, 2015, 09:21:59 AM
bernie was like a possessed uncle scrooge, though scrooged against the top 1%. Hes got an inferno within him that seems undying, and i think thats what i like about him most. He really wants to try and fix the inequality, whereas clinton is singing the tune just to get into the chair. the easiest fix to all of this is to add onto worker's income a set percentage of corporate profits before it goes to the rest of shareholders (top 1%).......

bernies ideas of raising the minimum wage was eh. but i guess u have to start there.

clinton appeared to be quacking like her usual self, but i felt that her answer to the black lives matters question was forced. she could give 2 shits about the movement haha. the other people on stage were a waste of time. they should have just spoke plainly and stated that they were introducing themselves to america for practically the first time rather than go straight into "i have done this that and this, and oh by the way i was the first to eat candied shit" ......wouldve been a better approach imo.

if trump would kick some money back to normal people i would vote for him. for the dems i would vote bernie, still undecided though overall. gtfo ex
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 14, 2015, 01:58:01 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/10/14/fact-check-first-democratic-debate/73882972/

Webb is the only one not mentioned
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 08, 2015, 09:05:53 AM
Who is gonna get them some Bernie Sanders underwear - http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2015/11/03/Company_launches_Bernie_Sanders_inspired_underwear_line.html
 
 :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 08, 2015, 09:11:57 AM
Russia is sending anti-aircraft missiles to Syria - http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2015/11/05/General_Russia_sends_anti_aircraft_missiles_to_Syria.html

"Russia has sent anti-aircraft missiles to Syria in order to safeguard its jets involved in airstrikes against militants in the war-battered Arab country, the commander of the Russian Air Force was quoted as saying Thursday."

Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said in an interview with the daily Komsomolskaya Pravda that the anti-aircraft missiles are there to project Russian fighter jets from a possible attack or hijack while on mission.

"There can be different emergencies, such as hijacking the jet on the territory of a neighboring country or an attack on it," he said. "We should be prepared for that."

This has very ugly potential consequences  :raincloud:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 08, 2015, 10:10:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/1xHqeZ7_DSo

It seems Western universities may soon have turned out an entire generation of these anti-free-speech postmodernist/collectivist intersectional identity politics ideologues who blubber that even reasoned disagreement with their beliefs makes them feel "unsafe" and who self righteously employ "cry bully" tactics to silence their critics.

https://www.youtube.com/v/9IEFD_JVYd0

It's unsettling to think that in a couple decades many of these assholes are going to be in positions of power...

:ugly_08:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 09, 2015, 04:26:15 PM
Apparently bitching with great volume means you are right, and preventing the other person from stating their opinion is the core of modern debate tactics.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 09, 2015, 07:44:12 PM
I'm afraid that too many generations have passed in America, this utopia laden with economic prosperity that gives these numb-headed nit wits a sense of entitlement and self-importance, and we've gone far too long without a large-scale war and a draft instated to give these little bastards a reality check and let them know that... GASP, THE WORLD IS A MEAN AND UGLY PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY NEVER GET ALONG AND SING SONGS TOGETHER AND HOLD HANDS! OH MY! But, ya know... they're the future, they're the ones trying to make the world a "safe place and a home for ALL.", to kinda-sorta paraphrase that noisy cunt in the video.

This kinda shit started when they stopped giving little league soccer champs 1st place trophies and began giving out participation trophies to EVERY child instead, much to the applause of all the useless soccer moms who thought it was better for every kid to be treated the same rather than teaching them the valuable lesson that if you want to be the best, you have to WORK for it and EARN it. And that's why this country spends so much money on it's military. Because they look at these complacent overly-idealistic morons churning through the system who will become our dim and tarnished future and they realize the only way they can hope to hold their place at the top of the mountain is to use a big fucking gun to threaten anyone who attempts to encroach upon their god damned turf. 'MERICA.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 11, 2015, 07:26:16 PM
Fucking hell, never be anywhere near these people without audio/visual documentation to counter their vicious lies:

https://www.youtube.com/v/G5MPzQnokMU

:Duhard:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 11, 2015, 08:21:02 PM
I uh... don't get it. Someone smears a shit swastika on a wall and exactly WHAT is the college president guy supposed to do? Call in a forensics team to take swabs from the shit on the wall and then collect shit samples from each and every person on the campus to find the person responsible for the heinous hate crime? (Because I'm kinda wondering if it was just some kids idea of social commentary, that Nazism is shitty.)

This is modern day Missouri for you. People wanna be drama queen ultra-victims. I imagine the last thing the guy wanted was a fucking race riot starting on campus over poo-poo smeared on a wall. So he washed it off and went on with his day. But that wasn't good enough. It didn't allow anyone to publicly exclaim their victimization and vulnerable minority status. And so they... protest en masse as a show of STRENGTH. Fuckin' hipsters, they love that word "ironic" for some stupid reason. Then again, there's a distinct difference between an irony and a paradox. Derp.

Then again, if you look at this from a purely objective standpoint... the protesters want to show how they've been "victimized" even though they've kinda unnecessarily and voluntarily taken that role upon themselves like the idiots they are, and... aren't these people trying to film them kinda doing the same thing when claiming 1st Amendment protects them? They damn well know they're gonna be met with opposition, and yet they choose to throw themselves in the middle of the horde of idiots voluntarily. And so they film it as proof of their own victimization, and apparently it's also diversionary tactic to cover up the fact that they can't really form a well thought out and reasonable position about why they disagree with these protesters. They're on their way to becoming to professional news media though, because that's usually what they do in the professional press: whatever sells it.

This is why I detest these numbskulls who exercise their 2nd Amendment rights by walking into a McDonalds with a fucking AR-15 strapped on their back and film the inevitable police encounter and act as though the police are just fucking insane and vicious for questioning them about it. They KNEW what the fuck was gonna happen when they left the house with that rifle slung over their shoulder. I have no sympathy for these morons if the cops actually DO harass them and arrest them even if there IS an open carry law in that state. They brought it upon themselves. Just like all the people who say it's great to have some degree of martial arts training because what if some crazy drunk guy in a bar wants to start a bar brawl with you? Well... have you ever considered... NOT BEING IN A FUCKING BAR? Simple problems, simple solutions.

I hate people. I'm gonna stop recycling. Fuck this planet. It's too good for you idiots. None of you deserve to be here.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 12, 2015, 12:45:49 AM
(Because I'm kinda wondering if it was just some kids idea of social commentary, that Nazism is shitty.)

Wondered the same. Or simply a prank: a non-virtual instance of actual shitposting. ;)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 12, 2015, 06:15:22 AM
(Because I'm kinda wondering if it was just some kids idea of social commentary, that Nazism is shitty.)

Wondered the same. Or simply a prank: a non-virtual instance of actual shitposting. ;)

I am offended by the profile pic of this poster.  I want it changed to a pic of my choosing.  If this does not happen, I want the guy who runs this place fired.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 12, 2015, 07:38:32 AM
(Because I'm kinda wondering if it was just some kids idea of social commentary, that Nazism is shitty.)

Wondered the same. Or simply a prank: a non-virtual instance of actual shitposting. ;)

I am offended by the profile pic of this poster.  I want it changed to a pic of my choosing.  If this does not happen, I want the guy who runs this place fired.

I agree. It reinforces negative racial stereotypes perpetuated by the privileged white society and does not foster an environment of tolerance, safety and peace for everyone... so change it or I will probably kick your ass with violence. I NEED SOME MUSCLE OVER HERE!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Admin on November 12, 2015, 10:34:35 AM
I am offended by the profile pic of this poster.  I want it changed to a pic of my choosing.  If this does not happen, I want the guy who runs this place fired.
I agree. It reinforces negative racial stereotypes perpetuated by the privileged white society and does not foster an environment of tolerance, safety and peace for everyone... so change it or I will probably kick your ass with violence. I NEED SOME MUSCLE OVER HERE!

Thank you for bringing this sensitive topic to our attention.

Our administrative committee for the Enforcement of Cultural Diversity has convened, and will be discussing this egregious offence shortly after lunch:

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Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 13, 2015, 09:51:41 AM
More of the same, now from Amherst College:

http://www.amherstsoul.com/post/133122838315/amherst-uprising-what-we-stand-for

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President Martin must issue a statement to the Amherst College community at large that states we do not tolerate the actions of student(s) who posted the “All Lives Matter” posters, and the “Free Speech” posters that stated that “in memoriam of the true victim of the Missouri Protests: Free Speech.” Also let the student body know that it was racially insensitive to the students of color on our college campus and beyond who are victim to racial harassment and death threats; alert them that Student Affairs may require them to go through the Disciplinary Process if a formal complaint is filed, and that they will be required to attend extensive training for racial and cultural competency.

Aw yiss. Fire up the re-education camps!



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President Martin must release a statement by Friday, November 13th, 2015 by 5:00pm that condemns the inherent racist nature of the unofficial mascot, the Lord Jeff

loooool :dohdohdoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 13, 2015, 03:39:29 PM
Fascists love to tell people what they MUST do.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 13, 2015, 09:25:26 PM
Folks are running around France with machineguns killing crowds of civilians... but let's all stop to make a fictional issue like rampant widespread racism a main focus of our attention. Are you shitting me?

Racism? Fuck you. Racism is basically ILLEGAL now. Something like not hiring someone because they aren't white can land you on the losing end of an expensive courtroom appearance. Or how about some "old fashioned" racism, where a group of white guys attack a black guy with physical violence. That's termed a "hate crime" in court, and in turn carries MUCH stiffer penalties than a regular old aggravated assault charge when race isn't a factor, kind like how a RICO sentencing can punish someone to multiple times the length of prison time had they not been prosecuted under the statute.

Even though we have the 1st Amendment and free speech supposedly protecting us, I don't think it's entirely beyond the realm of possibilities anymore than a white man in a pickup truck could yell "N!GGER" out the window at someone who happened to be recording it on their phone camera and find themselves in court for some sort of "hate crime". You may think to yourself, "Nah, it's freedom of speech to flip someone off in traffic, why would rude comments be any different? I have my rights in this country." Do you know that for sure?

Racism? Boo fucking hoo. Anyone experiencing racism against them these days is probably just willfully deluding themselves into believing that's the reason why someone doesn't like them. Cuz... ya know... whatever it takes to continue living in denial about the fact that they're probably just an annoying asshole and that's why someone is being mean to them. Grow the fuck up, kids.

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff10/groundmeat2/55764852_zpsxi65qjjr.jpg)

RACISM! RACISM! ARREST ME!

Calm your little titties, kiddies. I have a point to make with this. Why do memes like this exist if racism is on the way out and mostly gone already? A few reasons. For one, racism has become so demonized and taboo that this kind of comedy is now considered the pinnacle of "shocking and edgy" comedy. Also, what makes comedy comedy? Folly. As Merriam-Webster defines it: lack of good sense or judgement. All comedy requires someone or something to become victim to foolishness. These days, people consider these shocking and edgy comments about race found within a comedians monologue to be oddly enough acceptable at times. Why? Because on some level, everyone understands that the whole point of the joke is that they're actually MAKING FUN of themselves by temporarily pretending to be foolish enough to be racist. In light of this fact, I think we can all agree that OBVIOUSLY most people are not truly racist anymore and that's why this kind of comedy exists.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 14, 2015, 01:28:05 PM
Folks are running around France with machineguns killing crowds of civilians... but let's all stop to make a fictional issue like rampant widespread racism a main focus of our attention. Are you shitting me?

Wow, not even hypothetically. Folks are actually literally equating these events:

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-15.03.271.png)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-15.20.351.png)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/screen_shot_2015-11-13_at_7.39.20_pm.png)

:???:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 14, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-15.20.351.png)

"Racist white people kill me"

My response: I wish they'd kill you, honestly. They don't have be racist and white though. I'd settle for ANYONE, really.

If this shit for brains wants to see the racist person in the room, they should go look in the fucking mirror. Because several of the people shot and killed or wounded in France were in fact not white. ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE KILLED IN AT LEAST SIX COORDINATED ATTACKS. The appropriate response to that headline should be: HOLY FUCK, ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! But fuck it, let's pretend like that's not the reason it has people's full attention and it's only because someone killed some white folk.  :ohlord: Jesus Jesse Christ with a side of fuck-beans, how did we accumulate all of these immensely stupid people?

Nah. You wanna know who ACTUALLY KILLS YOU? These crazy fucking Jihadis who hate you not because you're white or black, but because you aren't Muslim and part of their neo-caliphate fan club.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 15, 2015, 05:23:54 PM
If someone went to the Mizzou campus protest and mowed down people with AK's or blew up a suicide vest in the crowd, you would get my sympathy, otherwise  :dohdohdoh: :ohlord: :WTF:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 15, 2015, 09:36:56 PM
I went to the Exxon station up the road for gas. In the bathroom, I saw a swastika scratched into the stall door. I recommend we protest for the president of Exxon to resign, and then to issue a formal apology to everyone on planet earth, and I think it should take priority in the national news media over coverage of the shit in France.

FUCKIN' WHITEY!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on November 17, 2015, 04:43:48 PM
I'd like to turn the page in this thread and focus for a time on this ISIS expansion and what the strategy for dealing with them is. I'll share a video of the President methodically explaining why ISIS is so dangerous, why it is so hard to defeat them, and what were doing....

https://www.youtube.com/v/EZTiBAJ_Ehc

At the 5 min mark its gets interesting, as he describes local populations and the dynamics that bring about the rise of ISIS.

My take on ISIS and what the hell is going on follows:
We are now in a world where the threat of weapons of mass destruction by dictators like Saddam, Qaddafi etc has been lessened and replaced by thugs with knives and guns..We felt that after decades of sitting on their respective thrones, these dictators had grown dangerous and bold, and that their removal from power was far less dangerous than their continues existence. In the aftermath of this decision, we have been gifted ISIS...

The sad and frustrating part about ISIS is that the local populations either support these people and their interpretation of islam by majority or otherwise practice a version of islam that is close enough, choosing to accept these Isis barbarians rather than western values and western politics or economy. The west knew the vacuum of power would be filled by someone similar to Al-Qaeda, and now Obama tells us our long term goal is to stand pat and wait for a spiritual awakening of the middle east or go in and fully occupy them.

While not the answer most of us want, containment IS the correct solution...... Occupation would be a waste of bullets and resources. ISIS cannot be defeated in full because the ideology draws support from vast swaths of locals who desire strict sharia. The local populations despise the west, and putting boots on the ground would be a disaster.. these thugs are snakes that can regrow their heads 2 fold if attacked. Containment, patience and hope is all we can really do. We cannot impose our way of life on the populations, they must face what the literal interpretation of religion truly offers, and as Obama insinuated, by facing this literal interpretation of religion, this offers the best strategy of defeating Isis, as people experiencing life under strict sharia discover it is not as rosy as it seems. Let them toil in shit until reform islam is birthed from suffering souls. It's either that or we nuke the middle east and start over.

Change happens from within oneself, and people must find their way back to reality. In the face of barbarism and savagery, we can only hope a new spirit is born from a horrific suffering. Occupying the middle east only distracts from this experience, and it is an experience that these people must go through, just as those prior to the enlightenment period have done. But let there be no doubt, this president is not a weak president, but a compassionate and thoughtful man.

Like obama said, we either contain and neutralize constantly, or occupy these nations indefinitely...feel free to chime in
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 17, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
I'd like to turn the page in this thread and focus for a time on this ISIS expansion and what the strategy for dealing with them is.

Here's an idea for what dealing with them isn't:

https://www.facebook.com/faisalsalmutar/posts/906729506085781

Quote from: Faisal Saeed Al Mutar
It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

It's like a bad Monty Python sketch:

"We did this because our holy texts exhort us to do it."

"No you didn't."

"Wait, what? Yes we did..."

"No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons."

"WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers."

"No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so."

"Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."

"Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that's why you did this. We're sorry."

"What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"

"Listen, it's our fault. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."

"Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we're not going to let you take it away from us."

"No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."

"OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?"


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 17, 2015, 11:44:39 PM
Uh, you might think he's compassionate and thoughtful, but the main thing his thoughts are of when contemplating a solution to the Syrian/Iraqi caliphate problem is... money. I don't think he thinks it would be a mistake to swarm the area with US troops and crush these fucking cockroaches into the grooves of the pavement. It would be quick and sure. The problem would be, like you said, it will stir up more anti-Western sentiment and they'd be playing whack-a-mole for the next 3 or 4 decades, fighting more insurgent guerrillas just like before. That would be where it would get expensive. And there's more at stake than just wiping out one criminal terrorist regime in the middle east. If the US gets bogged down in a pricey occupation, it will leave us vulnerable to OTHER angles of attack from OTHER enemies. North Korea, China, and Russia... they haven't gone anywhere. War ain't cheap. You seen the price of ammo lately?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on November 18, 2015, 12:17:25 AM

Quote from: Faisal Saeed Al Mutar

"Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."

if youve ever read the koran, you know that this is fact. the koran is more important than water or oxygen. The Koran is god telling them how to live and what to do. these people are brainwashed and never had a chance to develop critical thinking skills... if they have any questions about anything at all, the koran is their reference, it is their mandate and it is their entire life.

The fear of hell is powerful and overwhelming...rather than brainwashed, it is more like soul washing. This is what americans fail to realize. if you pick out an extremist in the usa such as an NRA pro 2nd amendment nut case type, that person still would be sane compared to how isis or muslims treat their religion...They believe this life is a test, that hell is more fact than the sun and the fear of hell compels them to behave the way they do. they literally believe 2 angels sit on your shoulders and document every word and action you take, and that upon judgement before god, it will all be read before you. I was born into islam for 20 years before finally snapping out of its stranglehold. i was never overtly religious, lucky enough to experience an american identity that was able to allow me to question things freely.

Returning to these ISIS people, and the middle east in general, i firmly believe we should develop an airborne form of alzheimers disease and crop dust the entire middle east, or commit to a 100 year occupation, in which we control the schools, the media, and civilization. Waiting for a spiritual awakening is gambling, it may or may not happen,  because the insanity from which this ideology is roooted is very deep, pretty much attaching itself at birth for all intents and purposes since they take children and indoctrinate them...

 
this is the challenge of our lifetime...what do we do with the middle east?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 18, 2015, 03:41:04 AM
The same exact shit could be said about Christianity.

Typically, I don't give a fuck what religion someone is. It's none of my business what imaginary friend someone wants to have. But when you realize just how many Muslims there are in the world (I think "a shit ton" is the technical term), you kinda-sorta start to give a shit, especially when some of them are sawing peoples heads off with butter knives and quoting verses from their cosmic comic book that have commanded them to do it. Then you're like, "Holy fucking shit, that kinda shit's in the Christian bible too, but no one actually DOES it!"

It's kinda fucked up. I grew up going to a fundamental baptist church, the kind where they only play an organ and a piano during the song portion of the church service, NO DRUMS. Why? Because drums are in evil rock music, and Jesus says you should stay away from ALL APPEARANCE OF EVIL! (nevermind that Elton John is a flaming wiener licking queer who plays a piano in rock songs) Bottom line is they don't disallow drums from the church service music because there's anything in the bible specifically prohibiting it, they just do it because of sheer tradition. Many of the older folks grew up going to the kinds of churches that had no electricity, no AC, no lights, just a piano and song books. THE GOOD OLE DAYS, WOOHOO! But to ask them about it, that's what they'll tell you. That drums are in rock-n-roll, rock-n-roll is evil, Jesus commands you to not take the appearance of evil, and thus it doesn't belong in church. (part of it might also be that they're all a bunch of in-denial racists that don't want none of them there NEEGUR JUNGLE BEATS IN THIS HERE CHURCH!)

So... Islamic fuckers are cutting people's heads off. That's pretty fuckin' evil, I think. Maybe it's kinda fun, might wanna try it some day, but I digress. They do it because their holy book from God tells them to. Well... the bible tells you to throw rocks at homos and sluts until they die. Looks like the bible has the "appearance of evil" as well.

Therefore, the bible just told me not to read it or regard a damn thing it says as valid.

And that's the fucking excuse I'm gonna use when I die and meet Jeezurs if it turns out that all that bullshit was actually true. It's YOUR fault Jesus!

Jesus fish-fuckin' Christ... I know I had a much better point I was working my way towards when I started typing this shit.

Something about... not giving a shit what religion people are unless they're muslim because muslims tend to be crazy bastards still living in the stone age, and any of them who step one inch out of line should be summarily shot in the face with no fucking trial or appeals process. Something like that was gonna be my point I think. But, yeah. Fuck 'em. They're violent fucking animals. The only thing such handicapped beings understand is a threat of violence greater and more horrible than the one they pose to everyone else. "The bomb" stopped Japan and won WW2. It's gonna take something about that horrible to snap these shit colored diaper heads outta their fantasy dream world.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 18, 2015, 04:13:10 AM
Continued... ::)

ON THE OTHER HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND...

While I don't approve of them kidnapping Americans and sawing their heads off...

...I really don't mind it if they wanna run around their own countries, sweeping up other avowed Muslims who maybe did one tiny thing they disapproved of and then sawing their heads off. Hey, one less fucking Muslim in the world. The problem kinda serves to make itself that much smaller in that way. It's like gang violence in the ghetto. The cops let the homies kill each other, don't really press too hard after the fact, and if they can't solve the murder, they say to themselves, "Well, one less criminal prowling the streets, so that's good I guess."

 :oops:

And another way to look at it... it's undeniable that there is an overpopulation problem in this world. Religion, while it has no fucking use whatsoever for rational people capable of objective critical thinking, it does serve to create intense and often violent animosities between groups of people that precipitates large numbers of human deaths. So... it's not ALL bad. If people would just STOP FUCKING SO MUCH, maybe we wouldn't need Jihad's and Crusades and holocausts and ethnic cleansings to help regulate the growth of the human cancer upon our host, the Earth.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 18, 2015, 10:05:41 AM
"...or commit to a 100 year occupation, in which we control the schools, the media, and civilization. Waiting for a spiritual awakening is gambling, it may or may not happen,  because the insanity from which this ideology is roooted is very deep, pretty much attaching itself at birth for all intents and purposes since they take children and indoctrinate them..."

I've sometimes wondered how big the occupying force would have to be, in order to enforce--let's say--a unified school curriculum.

Would it have been even theoretically possible, after we invaded Iraq (and assuming we hadn't made major destabilizing mistakes like De-Ba'athification and rendering Iraq's soldiers jobless by disbanding the army) to have been able to maintain a large enough occupying force to effectively dictate aspects of the school curriculum nationwide?

Like: Okay, starting now, every kid from kindergarten through high school will be studying Comparative Religion as part of their history courses. Students will be instructed it is their fundamental right to criticize any idea or set of ideas. And as early as possible we'll be teaching skepticism, critical thinking, how to recognize confirmation bias, and learning why the Scientific Method actually produces results. (etc.)

What would Iraq look like if that sort of curriculum could be sustained for a generation?

Obviously a fantasy. But I sometimes have wondered what it would take to actually pull something like that off (if even possible at all.)

:exqueezeme:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 18, 2015, 04:30:19 PM
Obama vows to veto bill increasing screening for refugees - http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2015/11/18/Obama_vows_to_veto_bill_increasing_screening_for_refugees.html

I hope this never happens, but if one of the people we take in is part of a attack in the US like happened in Paris, I hope it hits very close to home with his family.  We will see how much of a setback he feels it is then.  The people who lost family members don't see the Paris attacks as a setback. :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 18, 2015, 05:12:50 PM
it's unfortunately very hard to screen for crazy, and impossible to screen for smart sneaky terrorists.

they don't all come over wearing turbans with giant beards.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on November 19, 2015, 12:35:12 AM

I've sometimes wondered how big the occupying force would have to be, in order to enforce--let's say--a unified school curriculum.


I honestly believe that every country that supports or harbors people of this ideology deserve destruction or full occupation not because we think they are evil, but because we owe it to the future generations of the unborn. None of us get to choose where we are born, what family or set of circumstances we grow into... We cannot rest until the entire globe is free. That is one of my core beliefs.

To answer your question I think that the usa would need to partner with NATO and RUSSIA and send at least 1 million troops per country occupied. Iraq has a population of 33 million, afghanistan 30 million and syria 22 million. We establish no fly zones, we become the police, as well as the judicial system, we establish schools, and banish islamist propaganda from the airwaves. We send enough troops so that the country is overwhelmed and we commit to 100 years. We introduce technology, we allow locals to vote, we encourage critical thinking but most importantly, we end the indoctrination of children. 

I tried searching google for opinions regarding an occupation but I couldnt find any in the limited time i searched. If anyone else has any stats, would love to read it. I doubt the pentagon would publish their findings for all of us to see... :/ But im guessing 1 million troops, no fly zones, an aircraft carrier etc
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 22, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
Obama vows to veto bill increasing screening for refugees - http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2015/11/18/Obama_vows_to_veto_bill_increasing_screening_for_refugees.html

An engaging conversation between Sam Harris and Douglas Murray on a variety of topics surrounding Islamism, the vacuum of the Illiberal Left and corresponding rise of the far Right in response, which also included some interesting details about the immigration/refugee problem in Europe:

https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/on-the-maintenance-of-civilization

27:45 - Quality rant on the culture and ideology leading to the 'shrieking narcissism' of the students at Yale (and the lack of backbone from the adults in coping with it)

1:31:15 - On the ongoing immigration issues in Europe, particularly as relates to political Islam (of which refugees from Syria constitute only some fractional component)



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: The Dreaming Dragon on November 23, 2015, 05:02:23 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ICpU8-foA0E

And yet more fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on November 23, 2015, 05:42:52 PM
Dreaming Dragon:

That video is the truth. Unfortunately, the imam was correct, what are we going to do? Round up every muslim and toss them out?.......

The kingdom of heaven, the perfect society will only come about after a thorough and continual bettering of ourselves and of our socioeconomic tools........But there is an inconvenient truth...

You cannot apply the laws or the ideals of that optimal society in say year 2500, 3000, 5000 to the society of 2015, as society is not ready for it...
 
Im not sure how to phrase my thoughts, but i guess it follows the reasoning for why civil rights weren't given to blacks right after the emancipation, or why gay marriage was only legalized recently, or why the death penalty still is legal..... people need time to grow into acceptance, whether it be years, decades or centuries.

Islam is not reformed, it is primitive and dangerous.. Political correctness is going to disappear as these people continue to attack western landmarks.

Martial law / internment camps / etc eventually will take place, at least in Europe to start.

These people are great actors...but deep down they want sharia....even if they have never lived under it...lunatics

hive mind, hive acceptance.....fear of hell, fear of being labeled an apostate......

Quadz:
That audio recording of Sam Harris was good. I especially liked the parts where they spoke about injecting doubt into the mind of a fanatic, and truly showing people what life under isis or strict sharia is like...

They talked about what it was that convinced a fanatic to convert away from radicalism, and they stated simple google searches such as Koran contradictions ... brilliant idea.

We need endless facebook postings and social media postings doing just that! Problem is, doing so will most likely place you amongst the likes of Salaman Rushdie and on numerous death lists... :idea:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 24, 2015, 08:52:00 AM
i guess it follows the reasoning for why civil rights weren't given to blacks right after the emancipation, or why gay marriage was only legalized recently, or why the death penalty still is legal

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff10/groundmeat2/48141920_zps582c9fsq.jpg)

Yeah man. Timothy McVeigh didn't deserve to die.

Nigga please.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 24, 2015, 11:16:39 PM
Anybody else see that shit that Barbara Walters this past weekend about "Meet The Trumps"? Holy shit. That was the most transparent gorge-feast of bullshit I've ever seen. Problem is... a lot of people out there watching it actually believed all the fluffy bullshit Donald Trump said about himself.

Some say that Obama is the antichrist as well.

These same people will trample over each other running like Walmart shoppers on Black Friday to the polls to vote for Trump if he gets the nomination.

God Damn America. :ohlord:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 03, 2015, 11:46:20 PM

Rather sobering take on the probable near future of the Middle East as relates to ISIS / Iraq / Syria:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/11/30/the-middle-east-as-it-will-be/


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: beaver{KEA} on December 04, 2015, 10:58:45 AM
Are those online petitions good for anything? Or absolutely point less?   You know change.org or whatever?

If we are wasting time and money..

1. Can we create giant sleeping gas bombs? That will put these 22 and 30 million people to sleep long enough to detain them all ?  Set up firing ranges for all extremists and setup new curriculum as stated above.

2. If that is a waste of time money and valuable American lives/resources.  How many Americans would petition for the "bombs" Japan has a nice relationship with us today and are sure doing better than many other parts of world..

What's the point in haVing these bombs if we don't use them?

Great sacrafices must be made for the future unborn. And all the innocent who die in aftermath at least they will be reunited with Allah so we are doing them a favor
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 04, 2015, 11:31:44 AM
How bout we break with a little Conway Twitty.

https://www.youtube.com/v/-VEHYZknuKE
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on December 04, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
I just read this article stating that the California San Bernadino couple had ties to ISIS. Apparently, the lady swore allegiance on facebook.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/

A movie comes to mind..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133952/

......

These people are not rational. Their mind set is not of this society or of these norms. They are literally drunk.....

i pray this is the first and last of usa isis, but i doubt it  :miffed:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 06, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
Councilwoman rescinds resignation over 'Christmas' tree

http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2015/12/06/Councilwoman_rescinds_resignation_over_Christmas_tree.html

More political correctness BS  :dohdohdoh: :ohlord:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 06, 2015, 11:03:07 PM
Nobody's forcing anybody to believe in Jesus. Fact of the matter is that if you get December 25th off from work in the United States of America, it's because that's "Christmas Day", not because it's Hannukah, Kwanza, or Ramadan, or anything else. Because Hannukah is 8 days before the 25th, Kwanza is a bullshit fake holiday that some black dude from Maryland created in the mid-60's because he wanted to feel special. (People in Africa don't celebrate Kwanza or care to, it's only the blacks in the US that wanna somehow feel connected to Africa even though they've never been there.  ::)) And Ramadan? Who gives a shit about Ramadan. Fuck Allah. Point is... December 25th on this continent has been known as Christmas Day ever since the european invaders, err, I mean settlers, brought it here with them. It's been here for a few hundred years now. The British, Spanish, French, and Dutch all celebrated it. Doesn't mean YOU have to, though. But it does mean you can't just call it something else and actually MAKE it something else. It is what it is. Get over it. I fucking HATE Jesus. I know that Christmas was originally the pagan winter solstice holiday that the Christians in Europe "borrowed". Jesus, if he was a real person, was actually not born in December. It's more likely that he was born around March or April when Christians celebrate Easter. Still... knowing all that... I still call it Christmas. Because I'm not so much of an asshole that I think I can put lipstick on a pig and make it more fuckable. It's a pig, don't fuck it, just let it be a fucking pig already. Relax in the realization that Christmas isn't even a real thing anyway. It's just as bullshit as any other December holiday. Anyone who wants to say otherwise... I challenge you to find ONE SINGLE MENTION of a Christmas holiday IN ANY FORM WHATSOEVER in the bible. It ain't there. Because it's always been a western europe thing, not a middle eastern thing. And all the fuckers that wrote the bible, they all came from the wrong region, it was entirely unknown to them. (just like dinosaurs and quasars in outer space, which they were ALSO not familiar with and didn't write about)

I don't even know why I spend time typing this shit out. Everyone probably already knows all this. And I don't even give a shit if certain cunt bitches wanna flap their ugly chicken wings and fling feathers and get all bothered by bullshit like this. Let 'em get mad. Fucking shitbags obviously have nothing better to do with their lives than try to tell others what they ARE and AREN'T gonna call a date on the calendar. Really? Do these people think this shit even matters? Do they think some grave injustice will be done if someone says Christmas? Will someone get their little feelings hurt beyond all repair to the point that they'll require years of psychological therapy to come to terms with their mental anguish over calling a day one specific word? Do these marching protesting bra-burning hippy douchebags think that one day they'll be heralded as saviors of all mankind for their efforts at making everyone a faceless cultureless conglomeration of collectivist shiteaters? People are fucking pussies. Stupid pussies.

I've said it for years, we as Americans really don't have much of a storied culture. We have many regional cultures, but nothing really in-depth like the older nations. That's why we have so many Mexican, Chinese, and Italian restaurants in this country. They aren't just selling food, they're selling a cultural experience because WE DON'T FUCKING HAVE ONE. Christmas is one of the only old world traditions we still have left. Just saying. People should leave it the fuck alone.

Because if the dim-witted folks living around 300 AD didn't give a shit what the original holiday was all about when Constantine decided to call it something else, then why should the enlightened and far more intelligent peoples of this era give a shit what Constantine called it? Kinda makes those stone and mud hut dwelling uneducated dumbass peasants from 300 AD look like the smarter ones to me. It's just a mindless tradition with values set towards generosity, kindness, and family. But I suppose that kinda shit is awful and SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT A FUCKING STOP TO IT RIGHT NOW!  ::)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 07, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
We can trust Iran, they always abide by the rules - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/07/iran-tests-another-mid-range-ballistic-missile-in-breach-un-resolutions.html?intcmp=hpbt2  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 07, 2015, 04:27:23 PM
I like what my Sheriff had to say today - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yI1_XfZbQs
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: yahoo on December 07, 2015, 06:38:15 PM
We can trust Iran, they always abide by the rules - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/07/iran-tests-another-mid-range-ballistic-missile-in-breach-un-resolutions.html?intcmp=hpbt2  :dohdohdoh:

Again for me is that the whole western world with its allies and heck even the UN is trying to project political correctness. However what we stubbornly hypocritical about is that the these perceived threats don't play by our rules.
Take a look at this whole refugee thing. tens of thousands are welcomed by the EU open arms coz they want to say that they are doing what is right. Pfft. Like how many of this refugees would become islamist radicals once they had settled? Not to mention the "sleepers" that IS and other muslim terrorists had embedded.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 07, 2015, 07:21:22 PM
We can trust Iran, they always abide by the rules - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/07/iran-tests-another-mid-range-ballistic-missile-in-breach-un-resolutions.html?intcmp=hpbt2  :dohdohdoh:

Again for me is that the whole western world with its allies and heck even the UN is trying to project political correctness. However what we stubbornly hypocritical about is that the these perceived threats don't play by our rules.

Nooooo, the UN already banned such tests for 8 years. And they're gonna sanction them.

For the longest time, the UN always said they were gonna "sanction" Iran. And I gotta imagine that back then, Iran's head honchos probably laughed at it and high fived each other about it. It's happened so many times that they probably don't even react to it anymore, they just completely ignore it, maybe do one of these...  ::) and go about their business.

But on the plus side, I don't think we have to worry as much* about Iran going PMS and attacking the US on a whim. They've probably got an enemy in this "Caliphate" located right down the street from them. And they know that it's far more likely that these Iraqi-Syrian gangsters will try crossing their borders than Americans will.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on December 15, 2015, 05:24:07 AM
http://john.soupwhale.com/?p=127

It's long, but read this(the secondary, way longer post that's really not even a reply to the 2nd) and tell me what your take on it is.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 15, 2015, 01:56:57 PM
http://john.soupwhale.com/?p=127

It's long, but read this(the secondary, way longer post that's really not even a reply to the 2nd) and tell me what your take on it is.

Busy day today, but while I agree in general that modifications in complex systems will have unpredictable consequences, the author seems to make a number of bizarre assertions.

"The Civil Rights Movement was based on the idea that if you could just get all of the racist laws off the book, minorities would be able to succeed."

Pretty sure a "success" outcome would have been a secondary goal at best.

"the happiest women on earth live in the places that are most oppressive to women"

Abuse of opinion polling statistics. Affluent westerners complaining about first world problems isn't equivalent. Imagine the level of reported unhappiness that would ensue by relocating groups of the freest women into the most oppressive societies.

"The stereotypical conservative thinks homosexuality was going to lead to bestiality, but actually it led to transsexuals"

Transsexuals were there already.

"You think minimum wage increases will lead to prosperity, the conservative thinks it’ll lead to massive unemployment, actually it leads to everyone having designed-DNA children which aren’t classified as human to get around the minimum wage laws"

I gather he's being a bit facetious here. (Interesting thought, though robots seem more likely...)

"When we look back through history, we tend to see a pattern of societies generally getting more and more things right until we reached today, when the objectively correct set of values and value weightings was finally discovered"

I take it he's actually lampooning the notion that the current set of values is "objectively correct" and instead is suggesting that what seems 'objectively correct' will continue to shift over time? (But who is claiming our current outlook is objectively correct?)

  *  *  *

Bah. out of time. will have to continue later.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 27, 2015, 01:11:03 PM
"Hitler wouldn't have thought of that. Stalin didn't even think of that, and he thought about these things a lot."

Wow, check out the segment of this documentary starting at 25:25 where Christopher Hitchens describes the events seen in the video footage of the political purge that occurred the day Saddam Hussein came to power in Iraq:

https://vimeo.com/94776807

(~ 5 minutes)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 28, 2015, 05:16:17 AM
"Hitler wouldn't have thought of that..."

I don't totally agree with the sentiment he was attempting to express, that Hussein might've been MORE sadistic and evil than Hitler. Saddam Hussein had basically already been the top leader in Iraq a few years before this Ba'ath purge happened in 1979. The method he used during this purge was more likely born out of necessity than sheer sadistic predisposition.

Hitler and the top tier of the Nazi party had been compiling a list of folks they wanted to see eliminated years before the infamous Rohm Putsch happened. In that case, it was still somewhat of an internal party matter, but those who were to be liquidated were not only clearly opposed to Hitler, but their positions within the party and German government were replaceable.

I don't think the same could be said about the entire Ba'ath party in Iraq. The ones who were selected for trial and execution were either clearly opposed to his leadership over the party or at least might have been. The rest either already agreed with what he had already been doing, or were too valuable in the jobs they handled to be replaced. Having the remaining members of the party commit murder to forever implicate them in the same crime and bind them closer to the new regime was no more or less effective than coordinating the murders of a hundred or more political enemies and then telling everyone about it.

Not saying either political purge didn't have some foundation in the sadistic tendencies of their authors, but to "rank" one above the other is a little vain. In such things, there is only right and wrong. Both are clearly on the WRONG side of the line and both clearly use murder as a means to achieve the outcome. The nuance of "how" is irrelevant in my opinion.

Good video though, watched the whole thing. Never been a huge Cristopher Hitchens fan, but I always liked his decidedly British smartassed dry sense of humor he'd piss out upon his debate opponents.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 01, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
http://john.soupwhale.com/?p=127

It's long, but read this(the secondary, way longer post that's really not even a reply to the 2nd) and tell me what your take on it is.

  [...]

Bah. out of time. will have to continue later.

Was just reading some responses to this year's "Edge" question ( http://edge.org/contributors/what-do-you-consider-the-most-interesting-recent-scientific-news-what-makes-it ) and Steven Pinker's response entitled Human Progress Quantified (http://edge.org/response-detail/26616) seemed rather relevant to the 'soupwhale' post/reply above.

A few excerpts...

Quote from: Steven Pinker
Human intuition is a notoriously poor guide to reality. A half-century of psychological research has shown that when people try to assess risks or predict the future, their heads are turned by stereotypes, memorable events, vivid scenarios, and moralistic narratives.

Fortunately, as the bugs in human cognition have become common knowledge, the workaround—objective data—has become more prevalent, and in many spheres of life, observers are replacing gut feelings with quantitative analysis.

[...] This is interesting news, and it’s scientific news because the diagnosis comes from cognitive science and the cure from data science. But the most interesting news is that the quantification of life has been extended to the biggest question of all: Have we made progress? Have the collective strivings of the human race against entropy and the nastier edges of evolution succeeded in improving the human condition?

[...] Today it’s common to read about a "faith" in progress (often a "naïve" faith), which is set against a nostalgia for a better past, an assessment of present decline, and a dread for a dystopia to come.

But the cognitive and data revolutions warn us not to base our assessment of anything on subjective impressions or cherry-picked incidents. As long as bad things haven’t vanished altogether, there will always be enough to fill the news, and people will intuit that the world is falling apart. The only way to circumvent this illusion is to plot the incidence of good and bad things over time. Most people agree that life is better than death, health better than disease, prosperity better than poverty, knowledge better than ignorance, peace better than war, safety better than violence, freedom better than coercion. That gives us a set of yardsticks by which we can measure whether progress has actually occurred.

[...] People are living longer and healthier lives, not just in the developed world but globally. A dozen infectious and parasitic diseases are extinct or moribund. Vastly more children are going to school and learning to read. Extreme poverty has fallen worldwide from 85 to 10 percent. Despite local setbacks, the world is more democratic than ever. Women are better educated, marrying later, earning more, and in more positions of power and influence. Racial prejudice and hate crimes have decreased since data were first recorded. The world is even getting smarter: In every country, IQ has been increasing by three points a decade.

Of course, quantified progress consists of a set of empirical findings; it is not a sign of some mystical ascent or utopian trajectory or divine grace. And so we should expect to find some spheres of life that have remained the same, gotten worse, or are altogether unquantifiable (such as the endless number of apocalypses that may be conjured in the imagination). Greenhouse gases accumulate, fresh water diminishes, species go extinct, nuclear arsenals remain.

[...] What makes all this important? Foremost, quantified progress is a feedback signal for adjusting what we have been doing. The gifts of progress we have enjoyed are the result of institutions and norms that have become entrenched in the last two centuries: reason, science, technology, education, expertise, democracy, regulated markets, and a moral commitment to human rights and human flourishing. As counter-Enlightenment critics have long pointed out, there is no guarantee that these developments would make us better off. Yet now we know that in fact they have left us better off. This means that for all the ways in which the world today falls short of utopia, the norms and institutions of modernity have put us on a good track. We should work on improving them further [...]

Also, quantified human progress emboldens us to seek more of it. A common belief among activists is that any optimistic datum must be suppressed lest it lull people into complacency. [...] The empowering feature of a graph is that it invites one to identify the forces that are pushing a curve up or down, and then to apply them to push it further in the same direction.

~~ Full article: http://edge.org/response-detail/26616

So the bit I've highlighted above expresses what seems to me an interesting counter to the sort of fatalistic attitude expressed on the 'soupwhale' comment.


:exqueezeme:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 13, 2016, 02:53:23 PM
Al Jazeera America to shut down in April
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/01/13/al-jazeera-america-to-shut-down-in-april-report-says/?intcmp=hpbt4

I never watched this channel but it doesn't bother me that it is going away.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 14, 2016, 12:35:39 AM
Anti-extremist muslim lady schools Ben Affleck (too bad he probably won't watch the video)

https://www.youtube.com/v/pSPvnFDDQHk

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 15, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Ben Affleck's a fake assed bastard anyway. I've heard him on other shows affecting a Boston accent as if it's his natural unconscious accent he speaks with all the time. And yet here he is on this show, getting into a yelling match with people (a time that he would obviously forget himself and drop his more proper TV-friendly non-Bostonian yankee routine), and yet... NO ACCENT.

So many of these pukes in hollywood think too highly of themselves, as if they are role models to the general public, as if their opinions and attitudes have the ability to shape and mold the minds within society. Problem is in too many instances, the general public really IS dumb enough to lose all sense of rational self-interest and blindly nod in agreement with their utopian ultra-PC bullshit.

So basically if anyone gives a shit about Ben Affleck's opinion on anything, their own opinion is to be ignored equally. That said... The Town is still a pretty good movie.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 15, 2016, 01:10:19 PM
Problem is in too many instances, the general public really IS dumb enough to lose all sense of rational self-interest and blindly nod in agreement with their utopian ultra-PC bullshit.

Hollywood stars follow Obama’s gun control script, tweeting White House talking points on cue
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/01/13/hollywood-stars-follow-obamas-gun-control-script-tweeting-white-house-talking/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 15, 2016, 10:11:49 PM
Republicans will shit all over this "gun control" policy (it's not "gun control") no matter what it consists of simply because they HATE him with a passion and want to do everything they can to piss on everything he ever attempts. As a huge flag-waver for the 2nd amendment, I can tell you there's nothing bad in it that's gonna keep responsible citizens from being able to purchase guns just like they do now. What it's designed to do is close the infamous gunshow loophole, something long overdue anyways. Of course its not gonna keep violent assholes from getting guns and robbing stores with them or whatever else. I'm pretty sure there's more guns in the US than actual PEOPLE. Do the math. An assholes gonna get one somehow. Duh.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 18, 2016, 07:23:38 AM
Criminals will always be able to get guns, so any regulation they put on guns that "Do" make it more difficult for the law abiding people to get guns, I have issues with.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 04, 2016, 05:48:57 AM
DC bill would pay people stipends not to commit crimes - http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2016/02/02/DC_bill_would_pay_people_stipends_not_to_commit_crimes.html

The D.C. Council voted unanimously Tuesday to approve a bill that includes a proposal to pay residents a stipend not to commit crimes.  :WTF:

The bill doesn't specify the value of the stipends, but participants in the California program receive up to $9,000 per year.  :grrrr:

I did not commit any crimes last year. where is my money  :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 07, 2016, 11:43:45 AM
HAHA! That's so fucking ridiculous. It's like GTA Online in real life.  :D I play a lot of GTA5 Online on the XboxOne, and if players are good little boys and girls and don't blow up other players personal vehicles or get reported for abusing glitches, griefing people in game chat or using racist speech, etc etc, they get rewarded a "good behavior bonus" of $2000 for every hour or two they play in freemode.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 21, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/kLFehCMUQqk

1:35 - 7:35 — The opening argument by Brendan O'Neill presents one of the more interesting perspectives I've heard on the topic of how historically "hate speech" became codified as different from free speech, why it shouldn't be in a separate category.

A memorable excerpt: "The students who try and clamp down on hate speech always present themselves as radicals, but actually they are the foot soldiers of a top-down tyrannical attempt to oppress the expression of ideas, that started with the Soviet Union and was in the '60's and '70's embraced by Western powers."


:thumbsup:


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 21, 2016, 01:02:07 PM
On one hand, it's pretty shocking and ridiculous that you even HAVE to have this conversation about free speech. I kinda thought this matter had been talked about and agreed upon by the folks who adopted the Declaration of Independence back in 1776.

On the other hand, I guess it shouldn't be so shocking and ridiculous. Times change, people die, new people are born, and with those new people come new ideas as well as their initial discovery of old ideas. They may agree or disagree with old ideas. Even the main person who drafted the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, one of the only founding fathers who I truly admire and revere top to bottom for the way he thought and wrote, knew that simply declaring the people's right to freedom of speech in one important document wouldn't solidify that right indefinitely. To quote Thomas Jefferson himself,...

"What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."

This man wrote the Declaration of Independence, and even he knew that if the colonies fought and won their freedom, it wouldn't last forever. And not only does this quote show that it was his full intent for the PEOPLE to guarantee their own right to freedom of speech, the most important of all the amendments in the Bill of Rights which is why it is the FIRST amendment, but it also shows his intent for the second amendment being a provision by which the people can work to guarantee the preservation of that right. So anyone who wants to debate the intent of the second amendment... why? No need. Jefferson makes it very plain. "Let them take arms."

When he says "natural manure", he doesn't mean, "it's gonna be shitty." He means that dissent, debate, argument, and even sometimes violent resistance are inevitably going be a natural byproduct of a society that strives for liberty and freedom. So I find it pretty boring and shitty that we must all endure these ridiculous and pompous debates and forums and panels like the one in the video, but it's our duty and responsibility to have them and not become so complacent as to allow those who would stifle free speech to go unopposed and win. That would be bad for everyone. Because if free speech is restricted and people's voices aren't being heard, then they have no choice but to use something louder than a voice, like gunpowder.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 23, 2016, 08:28:07 PM
Interesting analysis (...perhaps in part because the author tends to be positioned on the libertarian left.)

How Obama Lost the Mideast to Putin (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/23/how-obama-lost-the-mideast-to-putin.html)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: The Dreaming Dragon on February 27, 2016, 05:27:30 AM
A fun article by Matt Taibbi,who seems to have inherited Hunter S. Thompson's  crown for delightful metaphor.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/35390-donald-trump-hes-no-ordinary-con-man
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on March 12, 2016, 12:24:43 AM
What the fuck is going on in this election campaign cycle?

rofl...

Trump is most likely going to become the republican parties nominee  :o

The republican party is cracking and splintering before our very eyes. First it was the tea party, and now its grown into a violent and spastic THING.

TODAYS ATTEMPTED RALLY!!!:

https://www.youtube.com/v/Be7qg1SOjZ8





Aside from Trump, the Republicans have baby faced noob rubio slobbering about, in addition to  junk master junk Ted Cruz sliming his way around schmoozing the religious conservatives. Carson, and fatso chris christie died, and the republican party is evolving before our very eyes.


On the Democratic side, Hilary clinton is a devil. The lies, the bs, the god awful judgement.... HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE VOTE THIS WITCH INTO THE WHITEHOUSE??

Bernie Sanders is alright, he keeps barking about  the income and wealth inequality going on around this country.....


Hilary doesnt give a shit about you or I, the bitch wants to be the first woman president. Trump wants the power. Sanders seems genuine. Cruz is an ideological nutcase and rubio is a noob.

I am voting for Sanders if he can make it past the witch. If its hilary vs trump, id rather see trump win just for the sake of change.  I dont think hes racist or sexist or any of that junk, hes gambling with the different sects of america.

Going back to the republican party, this seismic shift in abandoning the establishment is raw and eye opening. I did not think i would live to see one of the 2 major parties in america revolt.

The people supporting the republican part are of two different ilk. You have the super rich on one side, and then you have the common folk who want a border and want the mexican man put in his place, along with a candidate who hates the gays and may harbor the likeness to call a black man a nigger every now and then......

How these two different groups claim stake to the same party is comical. i think we may be seeing the rise of americas first serious and long term 3rd party.

And again, the witch clinton must be stopped!  :P

(http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/10/crazy-hillary.jpg)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: The Dreaming Dragon on March 12, 2016, 04:28:54 AM
Boom Bust Boom,a new movie by Monty Python Terry Jones.
https://vimeo.com/119939446
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 12, 2016, 05:28:46 AM
Is anyone shocked that a little pushing and shoving happened at a political rally? In other countries and in other times in history, FAR FAR worse has happened. This barely even qualifies as being termed "violence and/or chaos at a political rally". :D But the news outlets will jump through their own assholes to over-magnify things like this simply because the gossip-glutton American viewer WANTS to see that kind of thing. The press hasn't actually done it's job of simply reporting the news ever since they figured out that 24 hour news networks were financially feasible as long as they made sure to tell the people what they want to hear rather than just being completely unbiased in the way they present ALL the current news.

If the democratic party allows Hillary Clinton to be their #1 candidate, it will be a mistake, and the "why" is really really simple. Many people remember the prosperous Clinton years in the 90's and the miraculous budget surplus it produced. People may not be fully aware of the negative long term effects some of Bill Clintons policies had on American jobs and other things, but that's not the important point, and neither is the Lewinsky suck-off thing. Point is, prosperity and budget surplus. People remember that. Hillary had that in her favor. HAD. HAD that. What people think of her NOW... is the Benghazi fiasco, the nefarious LIE that America was told about a Mohammed mocking YouTube video that supposedly caused it, and probably MOST importantly, people know that she's disposed of the e-mail evidence that would have proven it beyond all doubt and probably would've resulted in serious criminal charges for her and several others had they ever been discovered. And people ain't gonna vote for that.

I honestly think that many democrats would end up voting for Trump even though they don't like him simply because they don't want to vote for Hillary Clinton, and they don't want to waste their vote voting for someone else who doesn't have a realistic chance at winning. And similarly, I think many republicans would end up voting for Trump even though they don't like him simply because of their seething hatred for Hillary Clinton and all things Democrat and because they know he's the only candidate with a realistic chance at winning.

How fucking sad is it that one candidates entire strength is NOT founded upon the the fact that people WANT to vote for them, but for the fact that people DO NOT want to vote for the other person? Welcome to the fucking Twilight Zone. :frustration:

How did we get here? How did we allow someone like Donald Trump to do this to us? He's a fucking self-absorbed Hollywood douchebag cocksucker. He's as qualified to be the leader of a country with the worlds largest nuclear weapons arsenal as... fucking Charlie Sheen or one of the god damned Kardashians! We are SO fucked!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on March 12, 2016, 08:04:28 AM
If the democratic party allows Hillary Clinton to be their #1 candidate, it will be a mistake, and the "why" is really really simple. Many people remember the prosperous Clinton years in the 90's and the miraculous budget surplus it produced. People may not be fully aware of the negative long term effects some of Bill Clintons policies had on American jobs and other things, but that's not the important point, and neither is the Lewinsky suck-off thing. Point is, prosperity and budget surplus. People remember that. Hillary had that in her favor. HAD. HAD that. What people think of her NOW... is the Benghazi fiasco, the nefarious LIE that America was told about a Mohammed mocking YouTube video that supposedly caused it, and probably MOST importantly, people know that she's disposed of the e-mail evidence that would have proven it beyond all doubt and probably would've resulted in serious criminal charges for her and several others had they ever been discovered. And people ain't gonna vote for that.

What scares me the most, is some people will vote for someone just because the candidate says they will or they will continue to give them stuff.
Once you have over half of the population receiving aid of some sort, they are not going to vote for someone who might take it away or reduce it.
If we get to that point, we will no longer be a multi-party system.

The more people who need aid, means you need more money to fund it.  We typically raise more money by raising taxes.
Every time you raise taxes, a few more people get pushed into the pool of people needing aid.  At some point you no longer have enough people paying the taxes to have enough money to pay for the aid.  Once there isn't enough money for the aid programs and the aid has to be reduced, people become outraged that their entitlement is not being provided and mayhem begins.

Before some people jump all over me for the comment above (there are many people in this country who have a real need for help), but there are also many people in this country who have made entitlements a way of life.  I believe that a level of aid is needed for some people, but I also believe that there is a lot of fraud and abuse of the systems.  Many programs also have huge admin cost which is a waste of the money.  If the large admin was actually effective in reducing fraud, it would be somewhat worth it, but fraud is still a big issue.

Increasing to taxes on the rich sounds like a good idea, but will they really take the hit or will they pass on the extra expense to their customers.
If they just pass it on to the customers, we are just paying their extra taxes.

I have always liked to idea of a flat tax or maybe two rates of flat tax depending on your income. People who make under a certain amount pay little or no tax.  Most of the deductions would be eliminated, maybe deductions pertaining to children could stay (but sometimes that gets abused).
A flat tax would have a negative impact on jobs because the IRS could be a fraction of what it is now, CPA's and tax services would be greatly reduced because anyone could do their taxes.

On a side note - I think 2dum whacks to pictures of Hilary.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 12, 2016, 09:36:59 AM
Two party system takes a big part of the blame. If the libertarian party had a seat to the table it would save conservatism and beat both other parties in an election. Two parties would be ok if they evolved correctly... Republicans less stupid and more progressive in certain areas, democrats less radical and more moderate. It's how they should be, anyway. Most of this country is moderate and they're forced to choose between polarizing sides.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: The Dreaming Dragon on March 12, 2016, 10:36:40 AM
(http://s15.postimg.org/3mq40hepz/e30.jpg)

LOL?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 12, 2016, 12:10:45 PM
(http://s15.postimg.org/3mq40hepz/e30.jpg)

LOL?

Eh?

(http://www.graphicsfuel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/search-icon-512.png)

Google reverse-image-search suggests it's probably this one:

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*SGniTXI1xtmiH8yNZ11n6g.png) (https://atlasofprejudice.com/the-world-according-to-donald-trump-b7ba72c7e38e)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 12, 2016, 03:53:42 PM
Silly Trump. Asians ain't been wall experts since probably the 1300's. The "rapists" are wall experts. They can frame and drywall a whole mansion of his in a week. They're getting pretty good at tunnels now too. The Sinaloa guys could probably go legit if they wanted and start a contracting business for tunnel boring.

I caught about 2 minutes of the republican debate the other night. That was all I could take before I had to run to the bathroom and throw up until my bloody pancreas were hanging out. Jesus Christ, I've heard more truth on TV watching those ExtenZe commercials they used to run at 4am on a lot of channels. It'll "make you bigger", and they're very careful to always remain just that vague and never admit WHAT will be bigger about you, lest they become accused of false advertising. All of them made passing mention to this proposed "wall" on the southern border. Why is it that no one is talking about building another wall on the northern border? No one ever thoroughly addresses that point.

And the republicans really have to wonder why democrats and neutral folks accuse them of being racist asshats? When the biggest part of campaigning for election is preening for the people and trying to manipulate their opinion of you, you'd think they'd try a little harder to NOT look that way. I dunno.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: beanz on March 15, 2016, 10:12:31 AM
He's a comedy gift that just keeps giving     :lolsign:


We in Europe (The New Mecca - ha - funny) are going to LOVE TRUMP    :nana:   - right up to, but not including the time he becomes Pres. of USA...    :ubershock:

bean$   :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 15, 2016, 11:14:29 AM
Don't laugh too hard. If this shithead wins, he'll have nuclear missles available to him.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on March 15, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
Fortunately, there are some republicans with morals who will not vote for him, even if it means they lose this election in order to keep their party.

With a party fractured like that, no one candidate on the right can probably pull enough votes to beat a unified left.

They couldn't do it in the last 2 elections with wholehearted traditional repub support, state level attempts to marginalize minority voters, and all that tea party fervor behind them. They even pulled the bigot vote because ol Barry is 'colored' and couldn't get 50% of the popular vote.



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 15, 2016, 12:55:28 PM
I wouldn't call the democrat side of the spectrum "unified". Of the two parties, it seems to be filled with more rational and thought-capable voters who know what a lying shit-cunt Hillary Clinton is. The bitch was quite obviously the main author of the whole ruse that it was supposedly a poorly made YouTube video that caused the folks in Benghazi to riot on the embassy, and good luck finding the incriminating emails to prove it, because they now sleep in the same bed with Luca Brazi and his pet fish.

At least I HOPE to fuck that's what many of the democrat voters are thinking about. If not... then apparently NO ONE is paying attention to jack shit anymore, so fuck it, let's elect Bozo the Clown and his VP P. Diddy.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on March 15, 2016, 01:24:05 PM
Doesnt matter which Dem gets the nomination if Trump is on the other side.

I think most people would rather the lying bitch they knew that was somewhat sane and predictable than the loose cannon liar on the right.

Trump is such a giant douche that he makes the Hillary shit sandwich look pretty edible to people who wouldn't have voted that way before. He's a very good background against which to appear reasonable and intelligent.

That supreme court seat that will probably remain vacant will be one heck of a "get out the vote" incentive.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 15, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
Ill go ahead and agree that Killary is the "lesser of two evils". I'm still not voting for her. This really blows. I'm not a fan of any of the remaining candidates. I disagree on policy equally in different areas with all of them. The first positive things that come to mind about each candidate....Hillary has experience. Bernie is the most genuine. Marco is articulate, maybe more so than billary. Ted Cruz isn't trump and has the least flip floppy voting record. Kasich is the most moderate candidate available. Trump uhhhhh he has the biggest gonads.

I had to keep deleting shit with every sentence just then... I felt compelled to explain me saying even a single positive thing about almost all of the candidates. Especially trump.

I voted 3rd party last election, so OBVIOUSLY I'm going to vote 3rd party again with this shit show.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on March 16, 2016, 08:48:02 AM
voting 3rd party is totally hollywood.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 24, 2016, 10:00:02 AM
Students are "unsafe" and "in pain" after somebody wrote "Trump 2016" -- in chalk -- various places around the campus.

http://emorywheel.com/emory-students-express-discontent-with-administrative-response-to-trump-chalkings/

“I’m supposed to feel comfortable and safe [here],” one student said. “But this man is being supported by students on our campus and our administration shows that they, by their silence, support it as well … I don’t deserve to feel afraid at my school,” she added.

[A chant] led by College sophomore Jonathan Peraza, resounded “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad.


:smiley_abau:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on March 24, 2016, 11:42:57 AM
apparently now if you don't say anything at all about something you are condoning it.. interesting way of seeing things.

Does anyone know where all this "safe place" nonsense even came from? Did the world magically stop being an inherently unsafe place and nobody told me?

Every time I see that 'feeling safe' BS thrown around by whiny protestors, I am left wondering when they plan to stop hiding behind a new mommy surrogate every day and face real life for the first time.

I get the feeling it's the new flavor of the anti-bullying hooplah from a few years back turned on it's head, or some radical new extension of political correctness that states that now you aren't even allowed to not like the same things or to not have the same thoughts as others.

Am I a big scary mind-rapist now anytime I think someone's opinion is utter nonsense, or that they vote for retards and I actually mention it to them?

I need a safe place from all this safe place bullshit.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 24, 2016, 11:44:08 AM
Do you know how much money it takes to attend a school like Emory? I could probably rob not one, but TWO OR THREE banks and hit the vault as well as the teller drawers, and I STILL wouldn't have enough money to send one person there for 4 years. Not to mention just the qualifications it takes to be allowed to attend there even BEFORE you shell out any money for tuition and other shit. These are rich, highly "educated" young people, arguably the types of people who will occupy the higher society in the future. And for all that wealth, privilege, and education (which one would think might equate to intelligence)... this is what you get.

Whoever said it's a "brave new world" was full of shit. When people are afraid of words like "Trump 2016" in chalk, there ain't nothing brave about these little pussies.

Yeah, I think colleges need to start letting students carry concealed weapons. It might lead to more shootings, but is that really a bad thing? The way I see it, this portion of the herd is in DIRE need of thinning.

I need a safe place from all this safe place bullshit.

THIS. This needs to be on a bumper sticker. You will make very many monies. :D
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 24, 2016, 11:51:46 PM
Does anyone know where all this "safe place" nonsense even came from?

Just finished listening to this analysis on the topic. Apparently though some of its roots may go back decades, the climate on campuses has morphed into something new as recently as 2012-2013.

https://www.youtube.com/v/K92rOsjyLBs

What a mess.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on March 25, 2016, 09:02:03 AM
That does sound like the right timeframe. I don't think I'd even heard the term used in that sense until a couple years ago.

Their comments about when and how people were raised with more emphasis on self reliance and dealing with the issues of life without mommy to hide behind hits home for me. As someone who was a kid during the 80s and early 90s, I can confirm that there did seem to be a shift in the parenting culture with the generation just after mine.

I spent hours and hours unsupervised as a kid, and my older brother had even more time to himself where he was just trusted not to go screw off, or to watch me.
We didn't turn out as the nicest people, but we're both capable adults now who can deal with other people's BS.

It's kinda funny to me to look at it this way now, because for years I had commented on the slightly younger generation being a bunch of pansies and I just thought that was part of growing up... One of those "Oh those kids these days.." sort of things that you find yourself saying as you get older.

Maybe I was actually noticing a real trend and not just wearing rose tinted glasses and leaning on the golden age fallacy.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 25, 2016, 07:35:01 PM
Supposedly Trump is slated to pick Chris Christie as his vp if he gets the nom. But what if..... PALIN?

At times like this, I usually say something like, "I'm moving to Canada." But now? Hell I guess even Mexico would be an improvement now.

Here's a list of people dumber than Sarah Palin.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

(There's nobody on it. See what I did there?)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 26, 2016, 01:56:17 PM
Media, social media above all, is freaking out over the anti-tranny law NC just passed. So many people are taking strong and passionate stances with this on both sides. This is how I feel. I think trannies are a little odd, I feel that it's a little weird that it's increasingly becoming more of a standard for young gays and lesbians to emulate their opposite gender, but of course I'm not in favor of any kind of discrimination or different treatment. Assuming the right wingers have a point, which is preventing sexual predation of some trannies that are perverts, what exactly did this law do? Instead of a male -> female tranny using the women's bathroom, they must use the men's bathroom since it says male on their birth certificate. So now, this hypothetical pervert, will be using the restroom next to my son instead...? Lol

I think trannies are weird like I said, and yeah I don't want my kids pissing next to trannies at a urinal. But all this bill seems to accomplish is singling out the LGBTQ community and enraging the crazy liberal youth. Why couldn't they've just left them alone/let individual counties and cities decide whatever? Damn it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 29, 2016, 09:06:01 PM
Several news sites are reporting variations on, "Teen Groped...", "Teen Girl Sexually Assaulted...", etc., at Trump rally.

But is that accurate?

In the first video clip, a Black Lives Matter protester at a Trump rally is accusing an older man of "touching her breasts," subsequently tries to sucker punch him, and gets immediately pepper sprayed by another bystander.

https://www.youtube.com/v/TA1S0KQD2W8


From this alternate angle, it appears to me as though the only thing coming into contact with the protester is the folded piece of paper the man was gesturing with, at about 1:25:

https://www.youtube.com/v/qg_cuODF5rU



:exqueezeme:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 30, 2016, 04:00:40 PM
Haha! Notice the dude in the red hat who so very nonchalantly maced the cunt in the eye... also nonchalantly tries to escape unnoticed through the crowd afterwards.

What kind of a fucking dork goes to a political rally anyway? Anyone here? If so, sorry, but you're a fucking dork. It's like going to church. It doesn't benefit YOU at all. It only benefits the asshole standing behind the podium, who, when you really get right down to it, doesn't give fuck number one about you. STOP GOING TO THESE THINGS, ASSHOLES.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on March 31, 2016, 06:13:14 AM
Most of these protesters come to these events to start trouble.  That girl started the incident and when she threw a punch, someone ended the incident  :evilgrin:   If she had not threw a punch, then she just would have been a annoying B and would not have got peppered.

IMO she got what she deserved.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 02, 2016, 12:20:13 PM
Suitably amusing commentary on the SFSU "your dreadlocks are cultural appropriation" kerfuffle:

https://www.youtube.com/v/4OpOo5V08EM


:dohdohdoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 02, 2016, 05:38:40 PM
If dreadlock dude handles his shit like that, he probably deserves to be bullied by a girl. Whatever happened to the good old days when someone said something completely fucking rude and dickheadedly out-of-turn to you and you'd turn around and shoot back with a simple yell of "FUCK YOU!"? When the Japanese blew the fuck outta Pearl Harbor, our grandparents didn't write Japan a fucking thoughtful letter requesting that they meet with us and a neutral third party who would mediate a conflict resolution forum. They geared up and shipped out to the Pacific to go hunt down and kick the living shit out of the Japanese for what they did. And most of us think of our grandparents as nice sweet old farts who go to church and watch Andy Griffith reruns on TV Land, but they still have 1000 times more BALLS than todays generation apparently.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 30, 2016, 02:07:48 PM
"Venezuela Runs Out Of Money To Print New Money"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-27/end-venezuela-runs-out-money-print-new-money



:uhoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Zeppelin on April 30, 2016, 05:50:54 PM
"Venezuela Runs Out Of Money To Print New Money"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-27/end-venezuela-runs-out-money-print-new-money



:uhoh:

"Wait a minute, why not just print a single 100,000,000 Bolivar note instead of one million 100 bolivar bills?"

lol
reminds me when Zimbabwe created the 100 trillion dollar note!
(http://gdb.voanews.com/6A4A2F68-97EE-465B-AB1D-EFE923791829_mw1024_s_n.jpg)

and then they decided to abandon their local currency (zimbabwe dollar) to use only american dollar and south african rand!

 :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: yahoo on May 01, 2016, 07:24:15 AM
They can always use shells and polished stones as currency. Hey the ancients did it no reason it wouldt work now.

Heheh
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 03, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
Boy have things changed in 4 years. From Romney being afraid to cut Obama down to trump now referring to Hillary as "crooked Hillary"... Lol.

Looking like trump vs Hillary even more so now. Great.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: QwazyWabbit on May 06, 2016, 10:24:58 PM
The end of the concept of "civil discourse".

Lie
Cheat
Tweet
Rant
Repeat
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 07, 2016, 04:29:25 AM
Now it's "Goofy Elizabeth"..... Lmao. That and the cinco de mayo picture/caption really had me going lately.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 08, 2016, 06:47:59 PM
The equalizer?

https://www.youtube.com/v/mdjRkLGEa5I
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 19, 2016, 05:34:22 AM
(http://offgridsurvival.com/wp-content/themes/church_10/images/2016/05/cascadiasubductionzone.png)

https://www.youtube.com/v/4W2iUl0VB8c

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/cascadia-subduction-zone-earthquakes/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on July 19, 2016, 02:57:44 PM
Apparently Gary J is polling 13% when he's in the equation. I'm sure they'll find a way to keep him out of the debates even if he meets the criteria, else he'd actually cause trouble for trump and Hillary.

Agreed, it's frustrating. The Johnson/Weld ticket will be on the ballot in all 50 states, but are getting next-to-zero exposure.

https://www.youtube.com/v/kQv_6GXVbDw

Johnson was on Joe Rogan's podcast a month or two ago, and pointed out the catch-22% related to being admitted into the presidential debates: You need to be polling at 15%, but the catch is, if the pollsters decline to even include your name among the choices, month after month, people haven't been getting the chance to indicate their support for you, and you don't get mentioned in the media discussing the poll results... In short, if they keep leaving your name off of every poll, it's hard to get the name recognition and build momentum to reach the 15% cutoff.

I realize they can't just add every random ticket to national polling. But getting onto the ballot in all 50 states seems like a pretty significant threshold to have crossed, and ought to indicate someone's serious enough to be included in the process (and in the debates!)



:exqueezeme:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on July 19, 2016, 03:45:05 PM
On the other hand, that 15% to get one guy into the debates could probably be much better spent keeping a different guy out of the Oval Office who has exactly 0 of the qualifications required for the job other than maleness and some degree of whiteness.

Even if they were the best debates ever held between political candidates, they would not be more valuable to me than protecting the somewhat equal layout of the supreme court for the rest of my lifetime.

Debates that include Trump have a pretty slim chance of being useful: even if someone were to use facts and logic to crush his proposals it would not change much of his support base which has blithely ignored facts and logic up until now. The only way someone is taking those votes is to out-fearmonger and out-loudmouth the guy.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on August 01, 2016, 03:46:25 PM
Black Lives Matter Releases Policy Agenda - http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-releases-policy-agenda-n620966

A couple of good tidbits from the article -

"They call for the passing of state and federal laws that acknowledge and address the impacts of slavery and the passage of H.R. 40 to form a commission to study reparations proposals." 

 "retroactive decriminalization and immediate release of all people convicted of drug offenses, sex work-related offenses and youth offenses."

 :dohdohdoh: :WTF:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on August 01, 2016, 04:23:33 PM
While they're busy making ludicrous demands, let's get some free blow and hookers too.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 02, 2016, 03:11:50 AM
If you gave a whole slew of qualifying black folks parcels of land equal to or less than 40 acres (probably less than 40, because considerably fewer people farm their land these days like they had to back in the 1800's when the "40 acres" thing was the reasonable size), then it sounds reasonable to assume that all those parcels of land would probably be bordering one another. Putting a bunch of black folks all in one area... that's kinda like creating segregation, right? Plus, I don't think black folks know what they'd be getting into with having that much land. You gotta mow the grass and maintain it. If they don't wanna maintain it, there's nothing stopping them from turning right around and selling the land. And 40 acres in todays real estate market, no matter where it is, is gonna fetch a small fortune. So in the first place, you'd have to TAKE that land from someone who already owns it in order to give it to people who qualify for reparations. You'd be taking over $100,000 out of someone elses pocket. One acre of land can cost anywhere between $2,500 and $10,000 or more depending on where it is. Who's gonna pay restitution to the people who never owned slaves who had their land unfairly seized by the government to pay for slavery reparations to people who were never slaves themselves?

Sometimes you just gotta let shit go. Let it go, BaconLettuceMutton.

Edit: added...

Quote
The six platform demands are:

1. End the war on black people.

2. Reparations for past and continuing harms.

3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people.

4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.

5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us.

6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society.

Here's my whitebread probably-racist cracka-ass response to these 6 demands:

1. Oh come on. Stop being such a drama queen.

2. Okay fine. Let's talk. First of all, let's address the "continuing harms". That's an easy one. Take it to a court of law. As for reparations for "past harms"... sigh... okay, I'll bite, what is it? 40 acres and a mule like the original proposal? First of all, as I stated above, there's problems with that. Taking land from one person to give to another without proper compensation is theft. And let's be reasonable, nobody needs 40 acres. And mules shit everywhere. They're not a reliable source of transportation (thus the saying "Stubborn as a mule") and they're also very slow. If hauling cargo is the thing you're looking to do, we make vehicles now that are WAY better at completing the task. So I'll start the negotiations off at 1 acre and a Kia. What say ye?

3. "Criminalize... black people." It is not a crime to be black. It's a crime to break the law though, and it doesn't matter what your skin pigmentation is when you do it. The law is words in a book. None of the words discuss black people in conjunction with certain crimes, therefore it would be fallacy to assume that these inanimate words on a page have personal feelings or prejudice towards any color. As for the education, health and safety part, FUCK YEAH. I agree. Let's get some of those things up in this bitch. Those things are good for ALL OF AMERICA no matter what color you are. But don't ask anyone to decrease funding to jails and prisons. Not possible. Most of them already don't get the funding they need to run properly. If we cut them further, prisoners will be down to one meal every 2 days. And think about the black folks who would still be in there even if we decriminalized the things like marijuana possession etc. They'd be starving along with the white folks in there. And they'd be fucking mad about it. And when they riot, the guards won't have the proper tools to stop them because you cut their funding even more. Methinks you haven't thought this point through very well.

4. Uh... Communism? Yeah, I read Das Kapital too, asshole. Go fuck yourself. Get the fuck outta here with that shit. Just made it a whole lot easier to see what your real underlying agenda is with all of this. So much for keeping a good poker face.

5. Really? Because that's exactly what the Confederates were fighting for and you said they were wrong for it. Yeah, open mouth, insert foot, huh? There's local, state, and federal law. You're probably talking about local laws. And in that case, local citizens can and do run for public offices. The shit you're talking about already exists. Vote. Run for office. Bitch when you don't like how a vote went. In America, you can do these things. But what you can't do is change local policy just because your mommy told you that you were special when you were a kid. There's a process to it whereby EVERYONE votes and the larger number of voters decides the outcome no matter how much the smaller number of voters disagree with the larger number of voters. Democracy, dammit. It's what we fuckin' do.

6. Sounds like segregation to me. Sorry, not gonna happen. It's not 1952 anymore, sweetheart. America is integrated. REAL black civil rights protesters played a huge part in making it happen. It's done. Get over it. Any political party that is exclusionary based on race cannot possibly represent all citizens in an integrated society, and should therefore have no place in politics which might effect the lives of those citizens who they exclude. America, motherfucker. ALL of us are IT.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Booya on August 02, 2016, 08:06:16 AM
http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-u-s-pay-reparations-for-slavery


 
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: yahoo on August 03, 2016, 04:18:18 PM
lol.
cant help but ask me self, enough with political correctness and apologetic.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 03, 2016, 06:36:49 PM
I don't think I need to say anything about reparations that Johnny Rebel didn't already say.

https://www.youtube.com/v/fRfDHmUuD3g

So if the dumbasses screaming "reparations" wanna totally fuck themselves and prove every word of this racial stereotype soaked song 100% correct, then they should keep pushing for it. I won't be mad if they get it either. I'll be kinda happy, in a smug sort of way. Because I'm gonna pay taxes anyway, what the fuck do I care how they spend it. They never spend it how I want them to anyway. At least someone other than the fucking government will get it. Just don't RAISE my fucking taxes to pay for it. I ain't paying a tax for being white, that's fuckin' bullshit. But mostly the reason I'll be happy about it in a smug sort of way... is because I know it's gonna piss off an awwwwwwful lot of white folks if they gotta pay for reparations. I always love it when huge groups of people are angry at the government. I want to see violence. I don't care if it's black folks rioting about racism or white folks rioting about reparations, it's all good. It helps remind us that violence is a viable option in conflict resolution, which is something our government loves to brainwash out of it's citizens for it's own sake.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on August 06, 2016, 05:33:35 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QpHjVeZ1EKc/Te3KJOOVT5I/AAAAAAAASqc/k-75h4OBEQE/s1600/Civil+War+black+troop+recruitment.gif)


how's that for reparations? freedom and some silver coins. i'm just trolling but on the serious note, i dunno how about we just tell the system to go fuck itself and create an anarchist agorist society. i think the current welfare system was appropriate reparations but this system is about to collapse from the debt owed from all the money being blown
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on August 06, 2016, 05:45:15 PM
this system is fucked. if trump drops out, (he's no prize) this country got a woman who lies for a living. all that confetti that was at The DNC was hillary's printed emails dipped in color. this election was such a joke, there were only 3 democratic candidates to be weeded out, aside from the 12 or more that is basically every cycle. hillary had to hire people to come for $50 a day. the photos of her town halls are cropped.. if the media could spin her election any more it would be a news network all in itself. HCN. it was so fucking rigged against sanders (venezualen policy) and then he spits in his "grassroots" donors faces and endorses the bitch. (rumor has it he was threatened) we all know who runs the show behind the scenes. just look at where her financing comes from. these billionaire globalist fuckwads that want to control every man woman and child on the planet. Their system is crumbling though. nothing last forever. meanwhile people will continue to live in perpetual poverty, war and division over rigged government politics. oh how the human race has failed.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 07, 2016, 07:01:17 AM
how about we just tell the system to go fuck itself and create an anarchist agorist society.

Lol, keep dreaming. In an anarchist society, contributing to welfare programs would be voluntary, which basically means that NO ONE would voluntarily contribute. You'd never get a majority vote for it. Not only are the people living on these welfare programs voting against such a thing, but lots of people who are NOT on it will not vote for anarchism either. Because if shit gets bad, they wanna know they can count on some sort of a security net to catch them. It's a great system for certain individuals, but it's not a realistic one for a society comprised of 320Million+ individuals.

these billionaire globalist fuckwads that want to control every man woman and child on the planet. Their system is crumbling though. nothing last forever.

Crumbling? Nah. It's just getting started. And the longer it goes, the less likely anyone is gonna be able to do anything to stop it. This is what capitalism has been working towards all along. It's the natural logical conclusion that business makes when it finds itself in such an environment. 100 years ago, there were around 100 million people in the US. Today it's around 320 million. That's a 200+% increase. Unchecked population growth like in the US is an exponential growth, meaning that the rate of it will increase the larger the number gets. The more people there are, the more consumers there are, and the more money corporations are going to be able to collect from these consumers. The more money they have, the more powerful they will become.

It ain't on the way out. It gets much worse.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on August 07, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
well, I'm hearing alot of talk from youtube sensations and mainstream media market analysts like peter schiff, that this market is about to be  on it's way out and collapse. which means retirements, stock, bonds, only thing left will be silver and gold. this worthless paper is going to to go the way of the bolivar. venezualen style.  They're actually eating the zoo animals and stray pets in the streets. shit is foff the hook. 1000% inflation.. big italian banks are going bust. i'd buy some extra coffee, toilet paper, bullets, food and gas. going to be real useful having supplies when most ppl don't even think about such things. better to be a squirrel than a grasshopper.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 07, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
Jim Cramer thinks he knows it all too, but look how many times he's told people to invest in things that have stalled out or taken a nosedive. Maybe he's been right about a few things, but like they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Truth is that people like that are paid or otherwise bought to tell people to invest in certain things. They're smart enough to turn down money from people trying to sell ridiculous shit like plastic dick warmers (dunno if that exists, just made it up), but they'll sometimes take money to promote shit even when they aren't 100% sure it will perform well. Pretty sure I remember Jim Cramer did that once or twice, and whatever he was telling people to BUY BUY BUY ended up turning to shit, and it made some of his rabid devotees awfully angry with him.

I'm not saying that I know that the economy is going to remain stable. Given what we know about the last depression and the mortgage bubble,... which is to say that basically NOTHING has been done to prevent it from repeating... I'd say there's a better than fair chance of it happening again within the next 20 years. The downside for business in general is that the economy slows to a crawl, they have to lay off lots of people and cut spending any way they can, including bonuses and/or normal wages. The upside for business is that it ends up being a form of what you might call something like "commercial Darwinian stratification" where the strongest survive and get stronger once it's over. Like they say, it takes money to make money, and when half or more of the competition in your field has been starved into a death of bankruptcy, all those customers have fewer choices about where to spend their money (which naturally increases your profits), and any potential competition after the depression event cannot possibly have the invested amount it would take to rival you. (business a la WalMart) Unless some really crazy shit happened like... Bill Gates decided to take all of his money and invest it into building large grocery and general merchandise retail centers in every city where a WalMart operates. That's a great way to LOSE all your fucking money if it doesn't work, and he isn't stupid, so that's never gonna happen. So... WalMart is left unrivaled and will only get bigger whilst all the competition, large and small, gets absorbed by the relentless unforgiving gravitational pull of Planet WalMart.

That is complete free-market capitalism according to many in the Republican party. Unchecked and unregulated in as many ways as possible, because "FREEDOM, DAMMIT! IT'S 'MURICAN!" It's a runaway train is what it is, and sure, we all wanna get where we're going faster, but it would be fucking intelligent to have an engineer around to make sure the ride will remain SAFE, y'know? Ain't nobody goin' nowhere's in a crashed train, y'all.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 08, 2016, 05:56:24 AM
Uh.... On the same page, there's an Amazon ad link to purchase his book titled The Rapture Verdict. He's one of those people. ::)

Let me know when the scary guy antichrist man gets here. :dohdohdoh: Maybe we'll get lucky and the easter bunny will show up first to take us all to safety in his little easter bunny flying saucer.

edit:
There's no way that Christianity or the rapture is true. L Ron Hubbard says so and Scientology proves it in Dianetics. Dianetics is better than the Holy Bible because Dianetics says so. Bada-bing! Look, ma! I'm a religious freak too!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on August 08, 2016, 08:04:47 PM
actually i sited the wrong article. i probably should have read it before i passed it on. that would have been a good idea  :dohdohdoh: :dohdohdoh: heres the one i meant to put up. take your pick.


https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog (https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on August 14, 2016, 04:20:35 AM
Many of you are probably familiar with a political compass test that shows where you're at ideologically on a grid of left v. right and authoritarian v. libertarian. There's a Eurocentric version that gives interesting results because it doesn't include many overblown or overhyped issues in the US. Things like gun control that would have more weight on an American test because it's all the media and candidates talk about, and all of our country thinks about. They're also a little more socialistic over the pond, yet they are libertarian in a few aspects despite libertarian being about smaller government. Below are where the major presidential and primary candidates lie of the last two elections. The result is Bernie and Jill seem more moderate, the "true conservatives" are shown, and then there's that other group that are relatively close despite their affiliation. By our standard everything would be shifted a good deal to the left and a tiny bit down but it's still interesting to see.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 16, 2016, 10:12:13 AM
I like the political compass, far more than the traditional attempts to squeeze political position into a single dimension (left v. right.)

My political compass results put me slightly into the left/libertarian quadrant.

Which puts me "closest" to Jill Stein, in theory. In practice, though, I disagree with her on several policy issues (she's anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, pro-affirmative-action, ...)

I've found the following site interesting, as it matches your policy preferences against each candidate, and shows a detailed breakdown of where you and they agree or disagree, issue-by-issue:

https://www.isidewith.com/

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on September 16, 2016, 05:58:15 PM
I fall a little over half way to the Right and slightly up in the Libertarian.  It says I fall more in line with Trump than any other candidate.
I do agree with some of his ideas, but I have issues about him being someone who could be a good President.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on September 17, 2016, 02:52:18 AM
Yeah I know that site, it said Gary johnson when I took it 4 years ago for the last election. On the American version of political compass I'm in between Gary Johnson and stein, a few blocks to the right and a few blocks libertarian. I'm closest to Jill stein by a little on the Eurocentric political compass, but I'm still not crazy about her either. But, maybe that's wrong on us. Maybe we shouldn't think like the neoliberals(it doesn't matter if they're destroying our economy/country, as long as they're pro abortion and pro gay marriage) and give stein a chance.........Actually, nah I'll pass. Voting for goofy Gary J like last time ;)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 17, 2016, 08:51:17 AM
I disagree with her on several policy issues (she's... pro-affirmative-action)

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Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 17, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
I disagree with her on several policy issues (she's... pro-affirmative-action)

Haha. Ironically, the existing affirmative action system seems explicitly racist.

Since it places certain races/ethnicities into buckets where they only compete against their own 'kind', it's led to the sort of absurdities highlighted in a complaint filed by a coalition of Asian students with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights. The complaint "alleges that for Asian-American students to gain admission to Harvard, they have to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanic students, and 450 points higher than African-American students." [1] (http://observer.com/2015/06/asian-americans-are-indeed-getting-screwed-by-harvard-but-not-how-they-think/)

I can understand the intent to lend a hand to prospective students who--through no fault of their own--grew up in extremely disadvantageous socio-economic conditions. But why wouldn't that help be administered in a completely race-neutral fashion?

Setting lower expectations on individuals simply due to their skin color seems... well, laughably racist!

:dohdohdoh:


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 17, 2016, 02:48:01 PM
Yeah, maybe. But... you're still racist.  :dohdohdoh:

A person is always racist for saying anything negative about affirmative action. That's just the rules of the game. Can't change the rules of the game, sir.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 27, 2016, 08:20:09 AM
https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/780626978206515200

"Reading Trump's answers in text form is a really bizarre experience"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtVYGEqWcAQEDG0.jpg)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 27, 2016, 10:23:11 AM
Oh my god, what a fucking freak show that debate was. About 15 minutes in, I was laughing my ass off, and all I could think was, "Trump is mad-dogging the shit outta her and she's trying soooooo hard not to flip out on him. I think I see veins popping outta her eyeballs now. Hill's gonna go backstage when this is over and punch holes in the walls."

And I hope all you fuckers listened really close to what that hypocritical richboy piece of shit Donald Trump said. When Clinton speculated that the reason Trump hadn't released his taxes was because he hadn't PAID ANY, he STUUUUUUUUPIDLY said, "Yeah, because I'm smart." (like he's fucking PROUD that he's fucking the economy and the middleclass taxpayer way more than all of these illegal immigrants he always bitches about) ..... And later he says he wants to cut taxes for the wealthy (him, who doesn't pay taxes anyway obviously)............... and even later declares that NATO countries like Japan etc should pay the US all of the money they owe us as part of the treaty agreement so that they can start paying their fair share of the cost of keeping NATO running.

MY HEAD ALMOST FUCKING EXPLODED! The incredible BALLS on this lying hypocritical cocksucker!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on September 27, 2016, 03:56:13 PM
the downside of having balls like that, is that your pecker generally does not protrude past them.

 :evilgrin:

My shame for humanity in general actually prevented me from staying in the room and watching the entirety of the debates. I have this thing, where if I see something totally humiliating happening on TV that shames our entire species, it bothers me to the point where I have to leave the room.

I think it's called empathy or something, but most of this election cycle has caused this physical reaction to occur in me.  :lol:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on September 27, 2016, 04:08:32 PM
Yeah I couldn't watch it all either. I started at 9:23ish when we got the kid to bed and watched for 20 minutes. Enough to watch trump be an idiot, and Hilary reference how great it was in the 90's under her husband as if it mattered to her candidacy. So, after my wife had suffered through enough I went to the Arrow on Netflix. If 3rd party candidates were allowed on the floor I would've been glued to the tv.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on September 27, 2016, 04:20:30 PM
I'm pretty sure they didn't even allow 3rd party candidates on the property, much less the floor.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 10, 2016, 08:24:56 AM
Stunningly accurate recap of last night's debate  ;)

http://waitbutwhy.com/2016/10/second-presidential-debate.html

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 11, 2016, 01:47:21 PM
Stunningly accurate recap of last night's debate  ;)

http://waitbutwhy.com/2016/10/second-presidential-debate.html

Actually... yes. Pretty accurate. And it was awful enough watching it the first time, so I only got about 1/6th down the page before I felt compelled to stop. My apologies to the author, I'm sure it's probably some great satire, but unfortunately he picked a topic that's mostly a huge tragedy where making jokes about it is just "too soon" for me to laugh.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on October 11, 2016, 02:52:51 PM
Maybe we could make you feel better if we go out and grab some married women by the pussy.

I hear they like that.  :afro:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 12, 2016, 12:43:57 AM
If pussy grabbing was an issue anywhere near as objectionable as the plethora of other issues I find wrong with both of these fucking candidates, I'd be happy. Compared to what these two assholes are gonna do to fuck us during their 4 years in office, pussy grabbing and catheter bags are like... not even a thing.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 13, 2016, 02:07:30 PM
Dipshit entitled brats A number of delightful individuals try to drown out pro-free-speech rally, and assault the interviewer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4R0bWC41g4
https://www.youtube.com/v/-4R0bWC41g4

Young lady @ 4:22 nails it ("I come from a country that has been bombed...")



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 14, 2016, 06:07:03 PM
YEAAAAHH! WOOOOOOOO! FREE SPEECH IS BAD!!!!

Right? Shit, I dunno. I just came here cuz everyone else was doing it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on October 14, 2016, 08:11:26 PM
Sorry if I am being too judgemental, but those people look like real winners.  :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 15, 2016, 08:52:54 AM

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http://gatortimes.ufl.edu/2016/10/10/halloween-costume-choices-4/

Halloween Costume Choices

"If you choose to participate in Halloween activities, we encourage you to think about your choices of costumes and themes. Some Halloween costumes reinforce stereotypes of particular races, genders, cultures, or religions. Regardless of intent, these costumes can perpetuate negative stereotypes, causing harm and offense to groups of people. If you are troubled by an incident that does occur, please know that there are many resources available. … there is a 24/7 counselor in the Counseling and Wellness Center available to speak by phone at 352-392-1575. Lastly, the Bias Education and Response Team at the University of Florida is able to respond to any reported incidents of bias, to educate those that were involved, and to provide support by connecting those that were impacted to the appropriate services and resources."


Listen to the soothing voice of a counselor while our re-education squads eradicate the wrongthink!

Paging Mr. Orwell.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 15, 2016, 10:09:08 AM
Haha! Yeah, no Usama bin Laden costumes this year I guess.

I'm kinda peeved that people term it "Islamophobia". A "phobia" is a fear. I'm not afraid of Islam. I just plain old HATE it for being a backwards outdated mindset of psychic slavery. I'm taking a stand against a form of slavery by hating it. It's a religion that doesn't believe in inherent equality. I think these bleeding heart liberal altruist douchebags should be able to support my stance in that regard.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on October 15, 2016, 05:40:58 PM

(http://images.webadmin.ufl.edu/signatures/UF-Signature-Themeline.gif)

http://gatortimes.ufl.edu/2016/10/10/halloween-costume-choices-4/

Halloween Costume Choices

"If you choose to participate in Halloween activities, we encourage you to think about your choices of costumes and themes. Some Halloween costumes reinforce stereotypes of particular races, genders, cultures, or religions. Regardless of intent, these costumes can perpetuate negative stereotypes, causing harm and offense to groups of people. If you are troubled by an incident that does occur, please know that there are many resources available. … there is a 24/7 counselor in the Counseling and Wellness Center available to speak by phone at 352-392-1575. Lastly, the Bias Education and Response Team at the University of Florida is able to respond to any reported incidents of bias, to educate those that were involved, and to provide support by connecting those that were impacted to the appropriate services and resources."

Listen to the soothing voice of a counselor while our re-education squads eradicate the wrongthink!

Paging Mr. Orwell.

UF  :ohlord: :dohdohdoh: :raincloud:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on October 15, 2016, 05:56:57 PM
Trump has had some issues with musical artist telling him that they don't want their music played at Trump rallies

Backstreet Boys were the latest - http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/backstreet-boys-tell-trump-to-stop-playing-their-music-w444703

I think this song is more fitting and this should be played - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 16, 2016, 12:27:11 AM
The Backdoor Boys need to put a dick back in their mouths and shut the fuck up. They were talentless irrelevant cum gargling shit dicks before they played their shitty music at Trump rallies and they'll be talentless irrelevant cum gargling shit dicks afterwards too.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on October 21, 2016, 10:27:29 PM
I cant get enough of this goddam motherfuckin ROASTING of clinton

ROFLMOA!!!!!!!!


SHE GOT BAR B QUED LMAOAMAOMAOAMOAMOAMOMAOMAO

TRUMP + SCANDALS + WIKILEAKS = HILARY OWNED 4 LIFE

ROFL!!!!!!

THIS VIDEO IS ACE

https://www.youtube.com/v/NnRVAzFa6Og






I dont know who the fuck to vote for, im positive mr man focalor is going trump, and i might follow suit, just to watch some drama go down. clinton is the old mold, i want something different goddamit, and i think alot of other people do too.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 22, 2016, 10:06:25 AM
focalor is going trump

Focalor ain't voting at all. Fuck this country. I don't even care anymore.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on October 24, 2016, 08:36:38 AM
At this point, I'm actually amazed that anyone is an undecided, or that the election itself might be decided by the opinions of the so-called middle finger voters, who are just "so fed up" with the system and being told what to think by that darn "biased media" all the while not realizing that they have been spoonfed both of those opinions.

Contrary to what the republicans are currently praying for, people who would vote for a vague "something different" instead of actually looking into a candidate's actual policy proposals AND their possible ability to implement those proposals when they get into office, should probably just stay home on voting day.

If you aren't willing to inform yourself as a citizen and a voter beyond the point of thinking "I've been told I don't like things the way they are" then odds are you aren't going to be doing anything useful making decisions for the country.

Would you make important plans for the future of your household or your life without doing any homework or looking into the specifics? If so, you should prepare for failure and completely not achieving your goals.

The same concept applies when it comes to representative democracy.

If at this point in the game, you don't know who you would vote for of the 5 possible choices beyond write-ins, you haven't been doing your homework and you've been either profoundly incurious or living under a large stone.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on October 24, 2016, 05:48:40 PM
I get the feeling that someone is voting for Hilary  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 24, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
Yeah, that might be the case. We still love ya derv, it's a lesser of the evils move but I just disagree with that mindset. I'm actually a bit confused and not sure where you're directing your distaste, but Hillary is gonna win. And mathematically there's two types of wasted votes: those for a candidate that can't win and surplus votes for the candidate that does. It's likely that a write-in or 3rd party vote will have more "worth" than a Hillary vote just because the person hates trump... If Hillary wins. Not saying that's you I'm describing.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on October 25, 2016, 09:31:32 AM
Due to my location, I could vote for anyone and Hillary would get our electoral votes.

I'm mostly referring to the false equivalence voters who literally think these are interchangeable candidates or that one would be just as good/bad as the other.

I can think of many ways this is patently untrue just off the top of my head, and for some reason we keep hearing it bandied about along with stuff like "Oh Trump says it like it is!" and "Hillary has already won".

All of these kind of thoughts are detrimental to the quality of our democracy and they resonate with black and white thinkers who seem to lack the intellectual capacity to understand nuance or to be the slightest bit curious about what all these buzzwords and one liners actually mean or can do.

The only way Trump comes off as honest is that he actually believes some of the nonsensical shit he says. It sure doesn't mean his policy "proposals" are grounded in truth or reality.

Hillary hasn't won yet, and the people saying she has already do a disservice to our democracy by unintentionally (or intentionally) depressing voter turnout. This is the other side of the same strategy Trump is employing of making the entire election season uncomfortable and untenable to those supposed wimpy dem voters. He CAN definitely win if only the crazy asshats show up to vote (and they will, because crazy asshats care more than most do), and he can't win at all if all of the democrats and their supporters take this 100% seriously and show up and vote.

In the same vein, acting like it doesn't matter which shit sandwich wins the election is detrimental to turnout and in the long run detrimental to our standing in the world for a variety of reasons. (one of them being that one of the candidates would literally make us a laughingstock)

Voter turnout is touted as a measure of the accuracy and efficacy of an electoral process in most countries, and it gives the winner something approaching an actual mandate to get shit done, if a huge percentage of voters show up AND this politician does really well in the vote.

Regardless of who wins, if they win on the back of a piss poor voter turnout you can expect a further degradation of our government's ability to get anything done, and this is not an area where the US government has been shining in recent years.

All that combines with my last post to get to something like this:

The way to make America a better place with a better government for it's people is not a specific candidate, or a specific policy proposal. It's US using our democracy intelligently and effectively. Showing up to vote, but also being a highly informed voter. These are the key ingredients to a better America, not some orange clown or a minority candidate du jour.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 25, 2016, 11:37:20 AM
Yeah, I'm still not voting.

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Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on October 25, 2016, 12:10:18 PM
If it sucks that bad, you could skip the top part of the ticket and spend your time on local proposals and downballot reps.
In my case, I get to downvote an attempt to gerrymander the shit out of my local city council districts, and for some in my state it's a real chance to show some congressional obstructionists the door (if you arent into that sort of thing).

The real value of this election may have nothing to do with the President spot and everything to do with control of congress for the near future.

For the record, I really wish the dems had put forward ANYONE else.

If they had put a whitish man with reasonable policies and an anglo sounding name out there, this election wouldn't even be close. Instead the party establishment seems caught up on this "lets make history with a person of X minority who has never been president before!" instead of something more effective like "hey lets put forward the best candidate with the best ability to reign in the leftist fringe and keep our party slightly left of moderate".

The Democrats didn't learn a fucking thing with the whole "omg Obama sounds like a brown person name!" and "his middle name is Hussein!!" stuff for 8 YEARS, and you would have to be clueless not to take that part of the political spectrum into account. Even Trump's people figured out they could wield the closet racists and the xenophobes like a weapon, and they're some of the least competent people I've seen run a campaign in my lifetime.

Putting out someone who doesn't sound like a scary minority person and who has moderate values and proposals would have been enough to get a lot of republicans to switch in the face of something like their Trump debacle.
Instead the dems got to choose between one of the most hated women in politics (for whatever reasons) and a carpetbagging socialist who would give the store away to dumb entitled millennials, neither one of which is capable of appealing to a moderate conservative voter.

If there was any real shit sandwich and giant douche situation it was in the Democrat's own primaries.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 25, 2016, 12:26:27 PM
Clinton has already won. Sorry to spoil it for anyone. 8 more years of our pseudo-progressive era. The fault is on the gop. Almost every other candidate would have one except trump. Rubio or rand would've won big.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on October 25, 2016, 02:10:47 PM
Rubio has little feet
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 25, 2016, 02:30:07 PM
Clinton has already won. Sorry to spoil it for anyone. 8 more years ...

I dunno. 4 years for sure. If the Republicans put forth anyone besides Trump or Palin in Nov 2020, and Hillary Cuntlips runs again, they'll have a landslide victory.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on October 26, 2016, 12:49:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4kR1E6ltMk
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: The Dreaming Dragon on October 29, 2016, 01:54:23 PM
More of the Grandmaster,out of the confines of Comedy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMI6ZmMCwWg

I was going to vote for Bernie Sanders...now I'm not going to bother. Not even for local stuff or Congress. No point. Whoever gets in has no reason to honor whatever pledges they made,and my flimsey contribution to the process will be forgotten,subverted or capitalized into meaninglessness the moment its cast.

Hillary is so crooked she should be declared an honourary Republican. And Trump is a walking meme. Two sad punchlines to this joke of an election.

How did we come to this?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: The Dreaming Dragon on October 31, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Kbryz0mxuMY

 :nana: :headbang: :nana:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: QwazyWabbit on October 31, 2016, 02:27:04 PM
More of the Grandmaster,out of the confines of Comedy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMI6ZmMCwWg

I was going to vote for Bernie Sanders...now I'm not going to bother. Not even for local stuff or Congress. No point. Whoever gets in has no reason to honor whatever pledges they made,and my flimsey contribution to the process will be forgotten,subverted or capitalized into meaninglessness the moment its cast.

Hillary is so crooked she should be declared an honourary Republican. And Trump is a walking meme. Two sad punchlines to this joke of an election.

How did we come to this?

This is how you subvert a representative republic. Destroy confidence that voter choice matters so they simply don't vote rather than believe their choice will be unrecognized. Once you have a significant population of non-voters, it's easier to control the ones that remain. This is how the GOP subverted the process that gave us Trump as the "Leader" and how the Sanders campaign was subverted by the DNC and the convention delegate process. Both parties have deliberately structured their processes to favor the incumbents or to favor the choice of the machine vs the choice of the electorate.

Rather than sit home in disgust, I'll be voting for a third-party candidate and I would urge anyone else who's disgusted by the manipulations by both major parties that together those votes against the major parties will send the message that the voters see the corruption of the system by the parties and by the elites in Washington and perhaps give hope to a stronger third party.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 31, 2016, 10:58:13 PM
The Wild Party. :headbang:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Booya on November 03, 2016, 08:43:38 AM
Trey Gowdy for President!  :fight: :frustration: :beer:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on November 03, 2016, 11:22:59 AM
More of the Grandmaster,out of the confines of Comedy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMI6ZmMCwWg

I was going to vote for Bernie Sanders...now I'm not going to bother. Not even for local stuff or Congress. No point. Whoever gets in has no reason to honor whatever pledges they made,and my flimsey contribution to the process will be forgotten,subverted or capitalized into meaninglessness the moment its cast.

Hillary is so crooked she should be declared an honourary Republican. And Trump is a walking meme. Two sad punchlines to this joke of an election.

How did we come to this?

This is how you subvert a representative republic. Destroy confidence that voter choice matters so they simply don't vote rather than believe their choice will be unrecognized. Once you have a significant population of non-voters, it's easier to control the ones that remain. This is how the GOP subverted the process that gave us Trump as the "Leader" and how the Sanders campaign was subverted by the DNC and the convention delegate process. Both parties have deliberately structured their processes to favor the incumbents or to favor the choice of the machine vs the choice of the electorate.

Rather than sit home in disgust, I'll be voting for a third-party candidate and I would urge anyone else who's disgusted by the manipulations by both major parties that together those votes against the major parties will send the message that the voters see the corruption of the system by the parties and by the elites in Washington and perhaps give hope to a stronger third party.

the system is rigged either way you look at it. you vote third- party, they have no chance at winning. trump gets in, the government will collapse itself. hillary gets in, you may get another few months of do-nothing politics until the system eventually implodes or right wingers start rounding up congress people.

in other words, we're all fucked, just depends on what kind of bed you want to make for yourself.


me? i choose a king size matress and having as much fun as i possibly can before the shit crumbles. dueces for now.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 03, 2016, 07:32:44 PM
me? i choose a king size matress and having as much fun as i possibly can before the shit crumbles. dueces for now.[/glow]

You can now do all of those things that you always wanted to do but never acted on  :sex_sodomit: :sex_algida: :smiley_abqr:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 08, 2016, 03:07:32 PM
It's ON

Even if your choice loses, be thankful that the endless ads will be over  :bananaw00t:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 08, 2016, 03:20:12 PM
yes the ads will go away, but the "news" commentators will still be blowing hot air for weeks at this rate.

I sat thru an hour of it at lunch watching them speculate based on early voting totals and quibble over statistically insignificant shifts in how many white people showed up, because they're assuming that all the white people will vote republican or some such thing.

This is the sort of magical thinking we can expect from the party that demonizes science and facts based in the real world.

They just assume that brown people only vote brown and white people only vote white, and all the while seem to be forgetting that if this is the trend it probably means women people vote for women.

Combine that with the reality that Obama pulled lots of white vote as well, and you get something approaching the real picture. White people do vote democrat. Women may indeed vote for women after being a historically downtrodden 'minority' in politics.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 08, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
The ads I can handle... just turn the TV off. It's the 20 fucking robo-calls I get every day that I can't turn off. Not even fucking joking, my phone hasn't STOPPED ringing ALL FUCKING DAY LONG!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on November 08, 2016, 07:54:29 PM
Looks like Donald Trump is going to win. I wonder wtf a Trump presidency will be like, lol.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on November 08, 2016, 09:03:44 PM
https://youtu.be/iOjZJnjkqc4?t=2m50s


he might be a puppet but if hillary got in we were all dead,
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 08, 2016, 11:05:10 PM
The hardline pro-Democrat media just got dick-punched and poll-trolled by itself. The douchebags on ABC are emotionally imploding. I love it. YOU JUST GOT TRUMP'D, BITCH!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: [BTF]adam on November 09, 2016, 12:48:08 AM
Hey guys and girls!

So, I was sat in my hotel room in Thailand on holiday, watching the election result come in, and completely not understanding what the election of Trump means for the world.

I thought, who better to ask than the old quake family? What's the score, should we all be peppering our anguses or will everything work out, or even is that uncertain?

Love you all,

Adam.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 09, 2016, 05:34:16 AM
This is what happened.

The mainstream media and social media has been spoonfeeding a certain rhetoric to Americans about trump. This rhetoric is that if you vote for trump you are a racist, bigot, sexist, and idiot because trump is all of these things. As it turns out this isn't the best strategy to sway voters. Something similar happened with "brexit " in the uk.

Don't get me wrong, there's racists, sexists, and idiots that voted for trump. And for Hillary for that matter. The majority of voters were completely set in their ways either voting for Hillary or trump and nothing was going to sway their vote. I'm talking about a few groups of people. Moderates leaning left or right, people that are "anti-Hillary " but not pro-trump, people that wanted a change in direction from the Obama administration, undecideds, etc.. Mainly people that weren't fans of either candidate. This is where the left failed horribly. By their rhetoric it didn't matter if you weren't pro trump, but were perhaps a hair more anti-Hillary. That means you're a racist sexist gay hating islamaphobe. There were just endless articles and reports stating that if you even THINK about voting for trump that makes you a racist idiot. All the while the folks on the right made them feel more human. Yes, the group that claims to be the party of empathy and tolerance did this. It's the fault of Hillary supporters too. They BOUGHT IN to that rhetoric and engaged in the trump supporter shaming. The world didn't learn from brexit, maybe they will now.

The numbers, last I checked, showed trump with 59,033,000 votes and Hillary with 59,169,000. Yeah, Hillary won the popular vote but still lost the election. But wait..... Didn't Obama get 66 million and Romney 61 million?? Yup! They did. LOL. Democrats didn't show up. Maybe blacks didn't show up. I think Hispanics did, but I think there's 2 main factors to blame. 1) the rhetoric that was being forced upon us that I discussed above and 2) they're the 2 least popular candidates ever.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 09, 2016, 07:40:57 AM
Yeah, I think pretty much EVERYONE is guilty of it (myself included, lesson learned): We got kinda duped by the majority of polls shared by the predominant number of pro-Democrat media outlets. None of us thought Trump had a realistic chance of winning. We all thought it was gonna be a landslide victory for Clinton based on these pre-election poll results that they constantly came out with. And like Haunted said, these were the two most unpopular candidates in a long time. Nobody wanted to vote for either one of them... BUT... way too many were vehemently opposed to having a Hillary Clinton presidency. Lot's of people disliked Trump AND Hillary Clinton, but everyone underestimated everyone elses frothing hatred for Hillary Clinton. Lot's of voters didn't WANT to vote for Trump, but they didn't want to vote for Hillary Clinton EVEN MORE, and that's how they made the choice.

Like I said, lesson learned. We shouldn't be so convinced that the majority of obviously biased pro-Democrat media outfits in the United States are always telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They don't really work for the average American anymore. Politics has infiltrated them to the point where they can't be trusted to provide an objective viewpoint anymore.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 09, 2016, 08:24:46 AM
Just like in team games of quake, I have no pity for people who lose who didn't actually work for the good of their team.

Any woman or brown person who voted for the orange retard can just enjoy the next 4 years, and maybe one day learn to vote like a grownup and inform themselves about the differences between news and entertainment.

Anyone in the middle class who voted for this clown can enjoy paying the taxes that the rich will be attempting to shift onto someone else's shoulder.

Other than the general effect of lowered standing in the world for my country, and the possible massive harm to our economy, I'm a white non-poor man who was born in the country and I will not feel the pinch of any racist sexist or nativist bullshit that results from this election. My kid isn't old enough for the draft until well after don cheeto will be gone and I'm almost too old now.

Sucks for the rest of you tho.





Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 09, 2016, 08:47:43 AM
The mainstream media and social media has been spoonfeeding a certain rhetoric to Americans about trump. This rhetoric is that if you vote for trump you are a racist, bigot, sexist, and idiot because trump is all of these things. As it turns out this isn't the best strategy to sway voters. Something similar happened with "brexit " in the uk.

Fully agreed on that front. Related article:

Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)


The numbers, last I checked, showed trump with 59,033,000 votes and Hillary with 59,169,000. Yeah, Hillary won the popular vote but still lost the election. But wait..... Didn't Obama get 66 million and Romney 61 million?? Yup! They did. LOL. Democrats didn't show up. Maybe blacks didn't show up. I think Hispanics did, but I think there's 2 main factors to blame. 1) the rhetoric that was being forced upon us that I discussed above and 2) they're the 2 least popular candidates ever.

Given the relentless "Trump's a racist" media narrative, this result may be a bit surprising:

Trump Did Better With Blacks, Hispanics Than Romney in '12: Exit Polls (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386)

"Trump claimed 29 percent of the Hispanic vote on Tuesday compared to Romney's 27 percent in 2012. With blacks, exit polls show Trump claimed 8 percent of the vote to the previous Republican nominee's 6 percent."


Finally, found this a particularly interesting summary of the various national security issues the next president will face:

A Roadmap: National Security Under President Donald Trump (http://observer.com/2016/11/a-roadmap-national-security-under-president-donald-trump/)



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 09, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
Anyone in the middle class who voted for this clown can enjoy paying the taxes that the rich will be attempting to shift onto someone else's shoulder.

Well if Affordable Healthcare gets scrapped, maybe all these people who are now paying 100% more and upwards for their healthcare premiums than when the program started (or BEFORE it was started) will be paying less overall even if other taxes do happen to go up. That played a big factor in the voting. A whoooooooole shitload of middle class people outside of the big cities who were just barely getting by on what they were making before are now in serious trouble because healthcare is taking a larger chunk of their budget. With EVERYONE anteing up for the healthcare pot now, costs were supposed to logically go down for everyone. That didn't happen. Not at all. The opposite happened. And people are fucking pissed.

I happen to be one of the people who disliked both candidates (and all the others) so much that I preferred not to vote at all rather than provide support for either one of them. But if I had've bit the bullet and voted anyway, I probably would've voted for Trump just like most people did. So all in all, I'm satisfied with the outcome I suppose. At the very least, the outcome tells me that most of America is still smart enough not to swallow all the slanted crap they're spoonfed by the media, and they still don't own us... yet. As for everything else... I'm just gonna strap in and take the ride and hope for the best. What the fuck else am I gonna do? Been doing it the last 16 years.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 09, 2016, 01:27:04 PM
The funny thing about that is.. the price controls and the single payer language that would have made the system large enough to negotiate prices in the absence of direct controls were stripped out of the bill by the very same people all those angry voters just put back in office.

Obamacare was not Obama's proposed system by the time it got passed, and everyone conveniently forgets that because we let the GOP control the dialogue and brand it that way.

I don't have to deal with the ACA personally since my employer provides healthcare for myself and my kid. My wife gets a similar deal from hers.

All told, people who didnt have insurance before DID see a hit to their finances, but they were also gambling with their health at the public's expense in a lot of ways that people like me get to pay for.
I have serious trouble feeling sorry for them when a vast majority of people in red states probably have way lower living expenses than I do and still refused to insure their own skin.


PS: has anyone else seen multiple republicans today trying to call Trump's victory a "mandate" despite him losing the popular vote and scraping by on the electoral college?

Maybe we need to define some english words for these fucking nitwits. Seriously, how does NOT having a simple majority of the voters support you magically transform into a mandate from the american people?
It almost reminds me of a child improperly using curse words they heard their parents use.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 09, 2016, 09:06:20 PM
There's can be a tiny bit of subjectivity with mandate. If I recall correctly a mandate is a win by 60/40 or better. The subjective side should come with tapping into new voters, uniting Americans, uhh... I can't think of anything else. No trump obviously didn't have a mandate, but they've said it about Obama's two terms when he didn't have one either, although obviously he had better cases than trump's.

Everyone I know, low, lower middle, middle class alike did not benefit from the ACA. Our healthcare could've been reformed and fixed. Sure. But they didn't get it right.

yeah I'll admit I was surprised when I saw those statistics quadz. Everyone seems to label trump supporters as white/male/racist/uneducated, I more so thought they're older folks that have been voting republican for 30 years who never recovered from the Great Recession, and who felt like the elites in Washington didn't care about them. But, it appears whites weren't the only ones that were fed up with our government.

Well.....it's tough to be optimistic about this, but with what's happened within both parties hopefully they all go back to the drawing board. This polarized shit getting old. Congressmen and senators losing their seats for being too moderate is just absurd. i know we're electing them but I can't help but think we're actually pseudo-polarized by the hands of media/tv/internet.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 10, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
I think there are a variety of causes for the increased polarization including the media playing it up for ratings, but there's also the stuff that's our own fault like intellectual laziness and the way that we use social media to insulate ourselves from dissenting opinions and in place of actual journalism reporting.

You can literally get all your "news" through facebook and there is no legal expectation that any of it even approaches truth because it's considered entertainment, just like "Fox News". If you filter the content by blocking sites and users that don't agree with your own views you end up with an echo chamber that just reinforces your bias.

In terms of policy, we take mental shortcuts and think too often in black and white or sound bites that other people fed us, instead of having nuanced informed opinions of our own. One of these takes a lot more mental energy and we actively and unconsciously take shortcuts with our brains as often as possible to alleviate that stressful load.

Being informed and thinking things through instead of relying on buzzwords and such is time consuming and hard, and people are lazier than we like to think because thinking such things would damage our fragile self image.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 10, 2016, 04:33:51 PM
I don't think Fox News is any worse than MSNBC, CNN, or any of the other main news outlets.  Fox leans right and the others lean left, each slants their coverage the way they want it to be viewed. 

I found it amazing that Trump could win when he had so much stacked against him.
All of the media outlet (including Fox News) were saying that he could not win.  Hollywood, TV,and Music celebrities were strong backers for Hilary.
People can be influenced if they think their vote does not matter and people are influenced by the opinions of people they look up to like celebrities.
People should do their research and form their own opinions, but many do not.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 10, 2016, 07:37:25 PM
Fox News is actually not half bad if you recognize who the silly ones are. The five was one of my favorite news shows at one point. The combination of bob Beckel (carter administration) , Dana perino (bush's press secretary, very smart woman if you just ignore the good things she says about GW at times) and Greg gutfeld (libertarian/very smart comedian, not on the level of Colbert but he's good) made for a good show. You just had to ignore people like Eric bowling.....but they had to kick bob Beckel off. That sucked. I can name a few good journalists and smart political minds on Fox News though. Charles krauthammer would be the smartest conservative on the network, Chris Wallace would probably be the best journalist with the most integrity. Are there more balanced networks? Of course, just turn on fox in the morning and it's terrible haha. But, imo msnbc is by far the worst out of all of them.

Trump protester really gives a shit over the election:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1134075613314478&id=100001361517349

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 10, 2016, 08:34:27 PM
My reaction to several people wanting Hillary in prison:

The whole notion of trump prosecuting Hillary once in office is absurd. Of all the wild things trump said on the campaign trail(things that won't happen once he's in office whether he realizes it or not) that is probably the least likely, no matter the damning evidence that comes out. Can you imagine how we'd look like to other countries if the person that won the election threw the competition in jail? And that's not even considering what a fiasco this election was already.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 10, 2016, 08:36:31 PM
Trump protester really gives a shit over the election

And to think everyone said her degree in postmodern feminist dance therapy would be of no use!




Found myself generally in agreement with the points raised in this rant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
https://www.youtube.com/v/GLG9g7BcjKs





Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 11, 2016, 12:12:50 AM
From what a few people in the scat videos comments say, that not a current video, its something from 2012 rehashed. Go figure.

Kids doing walkouts in public schools to protest the election, assholes in Los Angeles blocking the freeway to protest the election... and supposedly some cunt shitting on a Trump sign in public... get the fuck over it. Nobody's gonna give the presidency to Clinton no matter what happens. They can riot and burn 100% of L.A. to ashes and it wouldn't change a fucking thing.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: [BTF]adam on November 11, 2016, 06:58:22 AM
Ahh, confirming what I'd summed up really. Neither did seem an attractive choice in any way, and you're spot on with the comparison to brexit. I (we) even got propaganda leaflets through the letterboxes on an almost weekly basis, it was painful to read for both sides of the coin! I am amazed at how few people seem capable of reading between the lines though, seeing everyone caught up in the frenzy of brexit was hilarious and saddening at the same time, so many misinformed, irrelevant opinions floating around social media and in person!

Best of luck with Trump, I hope he has the good sense to surround himself with people that can make the right decisions for him, almost.. haha!

Regarding the walkouts, protests etc.. similarly to brexit, people got fired up too late! Should've thought about this beforehand and took it a little more seriously initially, it astounds me how he became a candidate let alone won the thing!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 11, 2016, 07:48:34 AM
One big reason the Hilary supporters are so shocked and upset is the media had made Hilary president before the first vote was cast, voting day was just a formality.  When the election did not turn out the way they had been told for months, they went into shock and disbelief mode. 
Now that it has been a couple of days, their mood has migrated to anger (how could this happen) (I cannot let this happen).
You have celebrities who can usually get whatever they want, throwing temper tantrums and getting their followers worked up with the belief that their actions will somehow change the results.

Lady Gaga Pushes Petition Demanding Electoral College Vote for Clinton - http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/10/lady-gaga-petition-electoral-college-vote-clinton/

I think the people who claimed that they would move to Canada if Trump won, should keep their word and take their followers with them.

These 23 Celebrities Said They'll Leave The Country If Trump Wins - http://townhall.com/tipsheet/catherinedunn/2016/09/08/these-10-celebrities-say-theyll-leave-the-country-if-trump-is-elected-n2215391

I know they are back peddling now,  but I don't see a big loss if any of these people left the country  :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 11, 2016, 08:50:32 AM
The people saying abolish the electoral college and go by the popular vote because Hillary actually "won" are not necessarily correct even by their own logic. There is no western democracy that I know of that awards a plurality victory for president. Hillary didn't "win" the popular vote being that 52% of the country voted against her(by all constitutions that I'm aware of, to win something you need the majority). In other countries that go by the popular vote they do election rounds. France's eventual president in their 2012 election for example acquired just 28% of the vote in round 1. The rounds weed out the many 3rd party and other candidates until a true majority vote is achieved. There's no electoral college, and there's also no "nadering" the vote like in 2000 in the US.

There's an issue though. Voter turnout always decreases with runoffs and historically right winged candidates have a better showing. In any runoff in America(I don't recall which runoff or why, but I remember the stat) I recall there being a 30% decrease in turnout and it the vast majority was from the left. And that makes sense, the right typically has shown up to vote in general more so than the left.

So if we actually went by the popular vote there would be a lot of question marks. Would the voter turn out be substantially less in the runoff particularly due to the two least popular candidates ever? Would trump being so close provoke the left to show up to vote more the 2nd time around? And how many stubborn 3rd party voters would have switched over? It's very possible that trump still would've won. I think Gore would've definitely won under those circumstances in 2000, though.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 11, 2016, 09:10:20 AM
Regarding the walkouts, protests etc.. similarly to brexit, people got fired up too late!

Eh, not really. I guess you didn't notice the massive amount of media attention the anti-Trump protestors were getting when they'd show up at each and every Trump rally in the many months before the election. It became physically violent a few times. I think someone else posted a video around here somewhere of an anti-Trump protestor falsely claiming that a Trump supporter grabbed her titty, and she started getting even MORE confrontational with the person she was arguing with, and then outta nowhere, another Trump supporter reaches into the crowd with a can of pepper spray and spritzed her right in the eyeballs at nearly point blank range. :D People have been fired up about this election for the past year or more.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 11, 2016, 12:57:16 PM
Hidden Camera Video Shows Democrats Sent Agitators To Trump Rallies - http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/17/hidden-camera-video-shows-democrats-sent-agitators-to-trump-rallies/
One good quote from the article - "it doesn't matter what the friggin legal and ethics people say, we need to win this motherfucker"

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on November 11, 2016, 05:05:50 PM
I doubt  they really needed agitators to make those crowds look like a bunch of loudmouthed violent bigots with a minimal understanding of our system of government.

I think the words that have actually come out of Trump's face over the past couple of years are orders of magnitude more disturbing than the thought that someone might send people to cause a stink at one of those circlejerky rallies.

Did they think they could profusely chant about imprisoning someone's political opponent (who has not been convicted of anything in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law) and not have people try to disrupt this inherently un-American activity? How about how they were repeatedly exhorted to go intimidate people at the polling places?

If they were burning books I'd expect someone to show up and call them on it too.

When I showed up to vote at my polling place in an overwhelmingly democrat area, I (a big white guy) was accosted the moment I got out of my truck by 10 dumbshit kids in red shirts demanding to know who I was voting for. They were promptly told to fuck themselves.

This was 50 feet from the door of the polling station. I called the cops on the dumb fucks, because contrary to what the orange fucktard told them to go do, it's not legal to do that in this country.




Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on November 11, 2016, 05:18:06 PM
Hopefully this bitter loss for liberals finally gets them motivated to vote in mid-term elections, where they are found to vote less during than conservatives. That's about all the liberals can do. These protests will do nothing but make other liberals look bad.

At the moment, I feel sorry for the environment and people with pre-existing conditions under Obamacare. It looks like Trump will end up ruining both.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 11, 2016, 07:30:49 PM
Did they think they could profusely chant about imprisoning someone's political opponent (who has not been convicted of anything in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law)

That brings up another good question - Should Hilary have been charged and had her day in court ?

Retired Marine Gen. James Cartwright plead guilty to lying to the FBI, he could get up to 5 years and 250,000 fine.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/retired-general-charged-in-probe-of-classified-information-disclosure-229891

Sailor Denied 'Clinton Deal', Gets 1 Year in Prison for 6 Photos of Sub
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-19/sailor-denied-clinton-deal-gets-1-year-in-prison-for-6-photos-of-sub

If you or I had done the same things as Hilary, would we be facing charges ?

I doubt Hilary will ever face any charges because of her connections.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 12, 2016, 01:39:57 AM
Innocent until proven guilty? Yeah maybe. But when you delete and effectively destroy possible evidence that might show guilt... I'm inclined to wonder why. Just to get rid of e-clutter? Maybe. But you'd DEFINITELY do that kind of thing if you knew it could be used against you. It alludes to guilt. And I have nothing to prove it personally, this is just a theory... but what I think was in a handful of those messages was correspondance between herself and military officials conspiring to blame the Benghazi fiasco on a shitty youtube video and unorganized rioters, which if you remember, that was the initial narrative which was later proven to be bullshit, and for some reason, most Americans failed to become enraged by the fact that Washington LIED to us all about it like that. And think about WHEN it happened, September 2012... right around the corner from the 2012 election. A foreign debacle like that surely would've looked bad for Obama. And I also remember how VEHEMENTLY Colin Powell stated publicly that NONE of the missing emails contained anything to or from himself. How could he REALLY know that for sure. He would've naturally had occasion to email the Sec of State from time to time. Kinda makes me think he denies it in such dramatic fashion because he's hiding his guilt too.

Again, this is all conspiracy theory, I have no proof. But I'm not usually one to make up or believe in such garbage "theories.". HOWEVER... This theory is one I didn't read about, it's just what I infer all on my own from everything that I DO know about the situation. The pieces fit so well together that I had no choice but draw this conclusion. And all I can wonder is how come no one else can see it?

Everyone wants to rant about CLINTONS EMAILS CLINTONS EMAILS ARGH, but no one wants to venture guesses as to what was in them. Don't miss the forest for the trees, kids.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on November 12, 2016, 04:47:14 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html

I think this article hints that Trump probably did not want to win the presidency and was only running to boost his popularity and get attention, and also that he would rather be a puppet rather than actually implement policy.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 12, 2016, 09:49:59 AM
Reportedly Trump recently indicated his intention to preserve a couple popular provisions of the ACA (aka Obamacare.)

Although this article doesn't stress how premiums also continued to rise under Obamacare, it includes a fairly succinct recap of the difficulty of preserving features like "preventing insurance companies from denying covering because of pre-existing conditions", without also requiring healthy people to pay into the system (e.g. "individual mandate".)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/12/donald-trump-is-beginning-to-face-a-rude-awakening-over-obamacare/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 01, 2016, 08:33:09 AM
Trumps throwing more slop into the swamp. goldman sachs? really? he's going to amass all billionaire speculators into his cabinet. he's filling it with wall street worshippers.you would think it's a conflict of interest. don't tell me he is going to fix the economy by hiring billionaires because they know how to generate money. no they are going to generate money for themselves, using the system for themselves until it collaspes from the toxic debt and derivatives markets, while everyone else struggles.


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/trump-u-s-relationship-wall-street-new-heights-article-1.2893650?cid=bitly
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on December 01, 2016, 10:15:05 AM
Handing them cabinet positions is the only way Trump can get other billionaires to take him seriously and the moment he has nothing to offer them, they will dump Trump like they've dumped the middle class of this country.

I'm not surprised by this.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on December 11, 2016, 05:06:25 AM
Interesting website that keeps track of news articles that display Trump's corruption:

https://corrupt.af/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on December 12, 2016, 04:22:09 PM
Chris Wallace from Fox News semi-grilling Trump on his conflict of interest with his businesses as president:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wallace-confronts-trump-on-conflicts-of-interest-you-hammered-hillary-clinton/

Trump danced around the issue. No surprise there. I'm more worried that the GOP won't care about his conflict of interests. At least so far it seems that way with how Paul Ryan seems to care much less about this issue when it's about Trump's conflicts and not Hillary's:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/paul-ryan-attacked-hillary-clintons-conflicts-of-interest-but-doesnt-seem-interested-in-trumps/2016/12/07/6d59b07e-bcc4-11e6-ae79-bec72d34f8c9_video.html
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 17, 2016, 09:54:31 PM
taxation is theft. Toll booths: going from one area to the next should cost $0.

parking near a crosswalk tickets: is another rediculous thing. if ppl can't pass maybe i can see, but walk around the damn car, parking spots are not unlimited especially when traveling interstate.

which leads me to the next bullshit, parking permits:

there's so many regulations that seek to enslave the populace by imposing fines, taxes and other arbitrary measures. it's absurd that we as an enlightened society through technology in the  information age, put up with this garbage to fund wars and other pot belly projects. when will ppl say enough?

when they are destitute and homeless on the land their forefathers conquered?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 15, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
"5 Reasons Why I’m Not an African American" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x15C5Vyeg-M)
https://www.youtube.com/v/x15C5Vyeg-M

While it's a bit of a ramble, there are humorous moments, and a number of solid points are made.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 15, 2017, 11:52:30 PM
What am I supposed to call black people in England or France?

African with crooked teeth? African with body odor who surrenders?

They make one word that covers all of it. You'll have to ask Michael Richards about it though. He was the only one crazy enough to try it in a crowded room.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: bluemeanies on January 16, 2017, 08:09:52 PM
According to my grandmother, the word you're looking for is 'Colored' or 'Negro'...
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on January 21, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/congressional-budget-office-affordable-care-act.html

No doubt that ACA has its flaws, but if Americans couldn't stomach the increase in premiums during ACA, then they're not ready for the onslaught from premium rates skyrocketing once ACA gets repealed and ultimately not replaced. 
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 21, 2017, 03:39:01 PM
Pres. Trump's stream-of-consciousness remarks at CIA Headquarters today:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jSf6Uxm2u2aPjyQsms-Iir6_0R2aMznB8ttribH9-R0/edit (full transcript)


As someone commented on Twitter (https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/822935397235916800), "it reads like a transcript of a 'Drunk History' episode."


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 21, 2017, 07:12:32 PM
As someone commented on Twitter (https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/822935397235916800), "it reads like a transcript of a 'Drunk History' episode."

That... is a pretty accurate way to describe most of his election campaign and debates, hahaha!!! Gold star for that guy!

BTW, Drunk History, terrible show, not funny, don't watch it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 22, 2017, 11:08:32 AM
"Oh, nothing much, just out smashing store windows to protest capitalism and stuff."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2p7XtKWQAEyKKD.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 22, 2017, 12:27:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xr8yj9CKqg
https://www.youtube.com/v/7Xr8yj9CKqg

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on January 22, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
As we all probably predicted, the Trump administration has started off totally as a shitshow. I don't know how much of it will I follow, because there is already so much crazy stuff that has been happening in such a short amount of time. Keeping with Trump fail might become too much of a tedious task, but here is what I've been laughing about at the past 24 hours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPAl6m6V_g

Trump's Press Secretary Sean Spicer gave his first press conference with an aggressive and revengeful tone, denouncing the media for spreading a false rumor about a MLK bust being removed from the Oval Office and replaced with a bust of Winston Churchill, when in actuality the MLK bust was simply moved to a different room (the news report on this was corrected but the PR damage was done, I guess, which is why Spicer was angry). Spicer was also annoyed by the media for what he claimed them doing as underreporting the size of the crowd at Trump's inauguration (now this seems like a lie and Spicer even claimed that the turnout for Trump's was bigger than Obama's, which is clearly a lie).

To me, it's just hilarious that Spicer wasted his first presser on blasting the media, when we all expected for him to emphasis the main policy issues that Trump's administration is focused on tackling currently. This observation further illustrates to me that the media was right about how ill-prepared the Trump administration has been with transitioning into the executive office. Also, the fact that Spicer didn't take any questions shows us that the Trump administration might not cooperate with the media when they show Trump in a manner that the administration is not pleased with. With how easily Trump lashes out against those who give him mere criticism (e.g. Trump vs. Congressman John Lewis beef on MLK Day), it's not difficult for me to imagine the Trump administration to end up being one of the least transparent administrations, especially when it comes to giving access to the media. 

Also with regards to the presser, this parody art seems to be an accurate depiction of what must of happened behind the scenes, lol: https://s29.postimg.org/y0l94r32f/dearthsean.png


https://twitter.com/meetthepress/status/823184384559878144

Here is a clip of Trump's counselor, Kellyanne Conway, trying to sell the idea to Chuck Todd of MSNBC that the lies Press Secretary Spicer gave in his first press conference were not falsehoods but "alternative facts". It amazes me how much of a soulless spin master she is. She seems willing to say anything, regardless if what she says is based in reality or not, in order to defend Trump and make him appear in good light. Trump or his staff can never be wrong on any topic.  :huh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 22, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
Well when the majority of the pro-Clinton media likes to stir the pot with innuendo that the accusations of racism might somehow be valid, yeah, I can see why they might address it with a harsh tone. Just like they did before the vote, they want to make it seem as though very few people support him, and they hope it leads to as much protest and drama as possible.

Not saying I think he should have addressed it at all, because it might've been a better approach to simply shrug off and ignore the medias trolling and baiting (protesterbaiting? hehe), but maybe they feel it could lead to security risks for PRESIDENT TRUMP... because TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT. (Y'all hate reading that, dontcha?  :-* )

People are easily duped by the media. By thinking that Trump had no chance at all of winning the election, I certainly was duped. And as much as any of you loyal Democrats wanna think you were too smart to be duped by the media, be honest with yourself, you got duped too. We ALL did. But think back to the "WHY AREN'T I 50 POINTS AHEAD!?!" Hillary Clinton tirade. She wasn't duped. She saw it coming. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 23, 2017, 12:53:56 AM
People are easily duped by the media.

Related:

"How the mainstream media constantly lies to the public without saying a dishonest word." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjFmOKqyWpE)
https://www.youtube.com/v/YjFmOKqyWpE

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on January 23, 2017, 04:29:19 AM

People are easily duped by the media. By thinking that Trump had no chance at all of winning the election, I certainly was duped. And as much as any of you loyal Democrats wanna think you were too smart to be duped by the media, be honest with yourself, you got duped too. We ALL did. But think back to the "WHY AREN'T I 50 POINTS AHEAD!?!" Hillary Clinton tirade. She wasn't duped. She saw it coming. Just sayin'.

Quite true that the media openly lies to people almost without any repercussion, though for Spicer's case, I think if he approached with calm criticism of the media he would of came off more as a competent person rather than a vindictive one. Also, acting that way would of played more into his favor, especially Trump supporters who some of them already distrust the media. By lashing out too harshly on the media and openly lying on something that is too easy to fact check (the crowd sizes), I think Spicer might of lost his credibility already. On side note, there is a clip of him on Youtube telling journalism studies not to lie in order to maintain the public's trust, so it's hilarious to see him not live up to his own words. I'll edit this post later if I can find it again.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 23, 2017, 04:42:31 AM
People are easily duped by the media.

Related:

"How the mainstream media constantly lies to the public without saying a dishonest word." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjFmOKqyWpE)

Precisely.

Like many people, I'm not 100% enthused by our choice for president, but I understand his dislike for the media, particularly certain ones. I remember back when CNN became the first 24 hour news channel around the time of the Gulf War. They were the only one with balls big enough to try a 24hr news channel, and their coverage of Desert Storm established them and made that gamble pay off big. And at the time, they were firmly controlled and managed by Ted Turner, a Democrat. But even so, the coverage was very unbiased, especially compared to what news networks do now. I wish we could have our media go back to that kind of thing.

I had a thought this weekend. I was walking into the room just as the national ABC Nightly News was beginning. The opening of the show bombards you with a rundown of all the major stories they'll be covering in the broadcast. It's killings in broad daylight, protests, disaster and devastation, misery and suffering, just boom boom boom boom boom, back to back and rapid fire. I thought, "If I were a superintelligent race of aliens aboard a space ship coming to Earth to offer friendship and helpful technological discoveries to mankind... and happened by chance to come into range close enough to pick up TV signals just at the moment that ABC was opening their show... I'd be FUCKING TERRIFIED at the thoughts of interaction with such an obviously fucked up in the head race of beings like humans.

So I guess the point is... yeah, we ARE a pretty fucked up people, but maybe we aren't REALLY quite as terrible as the media likes to make us out to be for the purpose of ratings and revenue. We probably just need to stop watching the news. It's been genetically designed under laboratory conditions to piss you off at someone else and absorb you into a certain collective with an agenda. And even if you agree with that agenda, let's face it, such collectives always care more about the agenda than YOU, the living breathing feeling individual supporting it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on January 23, 2017, 08:41:56 AM
On the other hand, who is going to constantly call out these people for their "alternative facts" when they start effectively using Russian tactics of outright lying to your face while they do things they aren't supposed to be doing, if not that very same media?

The American people show an aversion to doing their homework that would just allow people like Conway and their other mouthpieces, to run roughshod over established measurable facts and blow smoke up our asses constantly while they fleece the country for the gain of a select few.

Next thing you know they'll be telling us Trickle down economics is really working and has worked every time it's been tried and that the reason we're all so downtrodden and unable to afford jetskis is that evil Obama had a muslim commie plot to keep us down. They'd never try to sell that line would they?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 23, 2017, 09:30:01 AM
Next thing you know they'll be telling us Trickle down economics is really working and has worked every time it's been tried

Reminded me of: "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia." (http://everything2.com/title/Oceania+has+always+been+at+war+with+Eastasia)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 23, 2017, 02:36:26 PM
But trickle down economics does work. I feel the piss landing on me. Don't you?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on January 23, 2017, 03:06:07 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html

Trump withdrawls America from the TPP agreement, fulfilling a campaign promise.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 24, 2017, 12:28:27 AM
GOOD! Quite frankly, I'm tired of buying cheap poorly made Chinese shit at WalMart stores that used to carry American made products. If American products are more expensive and not higher quality than Chinese made products, it's because the few American manufacturers don't have enough domestic competition to dictate higher quality standards and more competitive pricing. If we wanna actually COMPETE with China, we can't continue to buy 80+% of our shit from them. We're like junkies, and little by little we're killing ourselves while they take all our money. Trashing the trade deal will trash our economy? Bullshit. NOT trashing it will continue the slow agonizing inevitable death we've been on a course for since the flood of Chinese imported SHIT exploded back in the 80's.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 24, 2017, 08:31:18 PM
Rather interesting perspective on immigration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOOBlcOIcLs
https://www.youtube.com/v/UOOBlcOIcLs


As someone wrote in the comments: "Holy fuck, a nuanced, down to earth viewpoint that is focused, that doesn't just regurgitate bottomfeeder political rhetoric and is humanitarian without being shallow and short-sighted? MAN, this was refreshing!"

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on January 25, 2017, 09:54:41 AM
GOOD! Quite frankly, I'm tired of buying cheap poorly made Chinese shit at WalMart stores that used to carry American made products. If American products are more expensive and not higher quality than Chinese made products, it's because the few American manufacturers don't have enough domestic competition to dictate higher quality standards and more competitive pricing. If we wanna actually COMPETE with China, we can't continue to buy 80+% of our shit from them. We're like junkies, and little by little we're killing ourselves while they take all our money. Trashing the trade deal will trash our economy? Bullshit. NOT trashing it will continue the slow agonizing inevitable death we've been on a course for since the flood of Chinese imported SHIT exploded back in the 80's.

That sounds great if your state doesn't have a decent minimum wage, and they don't care if people dump shit in their rivers and pollute their air to the point where people have to wear masks to go outside, and they completely isolate themselves from the global marketplace...  :thumbsup:

Just try to compete at manufacturing when your raw materials cost the same, your labor costs astronomically more, and you are held responsible for actions that destroy the environment while your direct competitors are not.

I work in an industry that manufactures high end physical products in California and we face the same issue with competitors in other states as we do with competitors in China who have made off with everyone's designs and copied their products: They don't pay their workers shit.

Our "sweatshop" hourly laborers will be getting at the very least $15/hr by 2020 here and they already get an HMO health plan, 3 paid sick days and we give them 3 paid holidays on top that aren't required by law. Our main competitor in Indiana pays the federal minimum wage which is $7.25 for the same labor, with no sick days and no vacation and companies who have copied us in China and make exact duplicates of our products (albeit with shittier quality control) pay way less than that.

The only way we are still in business is that we offer service and support in addition to the products that somebody in China won't offer, and we offer custom options that our competitor in Indiana doesn't. We had to change what we offered and what the customer expected from us, or go out of business. We also had to avoid even bothering with the segment of the market where we cannot compete with the Chinese due to huge variances in price.


We (americans) didn't start or continue buying Chinese commodities because of their quality or service. We buy it because they can make the same crappy thing we can make for half the price. Our people in general care more about low price and being cheap than they do about durability or quality of construction, and it shows even in the products we make here. American made is no longer a guarantee of high quality like it used to be when we made cars out of steel and everyone else was making shit out of plastic.

For the vast majority of manufactured commodities, the ability to get the sale comes down to price and price alone. Price is dictated directly by your costs.

If you want people to buy American manufactured goods you need to meet the requirements of the customer or change them, and those requirements are currently cheapness and don't include things like relative quality or origin.

If you want to make American manufacturers grow again, you need to change Americans. We're the consumers, on a scale unlike that of any other people in the world, and as such we are dictating these requirements to companies with no regard for their ability to fulfill them.

The Chinese with their extra light labor costs and no environmental protection overhead are better situated to meet our current  requirements as customers who demand cheap shit and don't care how it's made or who made it, than our companies would be making the exact same widget in America.

Unless the demands change, the dollars will continue to flow toward the Chinese companies who meet them.

Even with those changes in demand, there will always be things that we cannot make cheap enough here to bother with and that we should be buying from some sweatshop in Asia for our own good as a society: this gives us low prices as customers and frees up our own capital for investing in more lucrative industry as manufacturers.



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 25, 2017, 11:30:21 AM
Just try to compete at manufacturing when your raw materials cost the same, your labor costs astronomically more, and you are held responsible for actions that destroy the environment while your direct competitors are not.

Indeed. And unfortunately, Mr. Trump's "common sense" remedy of trade protectionism has been tried before—to less-than-stellar results:

https://www.aei.org/publication/yes-protectionism-can-save-some-us-jobs-but-at-what-cost-empirical-evidence-suggests-its-very-very-expensive/

Quote
Yes, protectionism can save some US jobs, but at what cost? Empirical evidence suggests it’s very, very expensive
[…]
According to Team Trump’s website, we’re told that “blue-collar towns and cities have watched their factories close and good-paying jobs move overseas, while Americans face a mounting trade deficit and a devastated manufacturing base. By fighting for fair but tough trade deals, we can bring jobs back to America’s shores, increase wages, and support U.S. manufacturing.”

Actually, it’s been capital investments in labor-saving technologies like robotics and increasing worker productivity that have led to the large majority of US factory job losses, not trade or outsourcing, as I documented recently here. And there’s been no devastation of America’s manufacturing base; to the contrary, real US manufacturing output has reached all-time high levels in recent quarters.

What’s Trump’s solution to the loss of US manufacturing jobs?  America’s “first authentic protectionist to win the White House since the 1920s” has outlined a series of protectionist trade measures including tariffs (30-40-50%), “tougher trade deals” (likely trade deals to protect US manufacturers from foreign competition), “Buy American” policies, and border adjustment taxes, among other strategies to “save American jobs.”

Here’s a relevant question to ask: How have protectionist trade policies in the past worked out for the US economy and how expensive is it to save American jobs with the protectionist trade policies Trump is proposing?
[…]
The purpose of protectionism is to protect jobs in specific industries.
[…]
The empirical evidence is clear-cut. The costs of protectionist trade policies far exceed the benefits. The losses suffered by consumers exceed the gains reaped by domestic producers and government. Low income consumers are relatively more adversely affected than high-income consumers.

It's not like trade protectionism is some brand new idea. If the Trump administration intends to give it another try, it ought to at least provide a rationale why the results will somehow be better prior attempts.


:exqueezeme:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on January 25, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
It's definitely not a new idea, and it has rarely ever worked out in favor of the consumer and always in favor of the merchant class who tend to support such attempts to give themselves relative monopolies and unfair competitive advantages.

In a better world, the people who think they know best how to run an economy in an industrialized nation would have read something on the subject, like "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith.

Even before the birth of this nation it was becoming understood by western economists that limiting foreign trade on goods by the enactment of protectionist laws has a myriad of negative effects on the total revenues and profits of a nation.

Those nations end up hurting themselves more than they help themselves, by limiting the things that almost invariably help them be more productive and profitable: market access for their own labor and their own goods, and on-hand capital to invest in new lucrative business opportunities.

If you enact laws that tie up your nation's total capital in less than profitable enterprise that need to be subsidized by the government to be profitable or which require all their competition to have unfair burdens put upon them, then you are effectively wasting money buying shares of a losing company in the stock market.

You'd be better off investing it in something that is lucrative without protectionist laws to make it so, as this will naturally be a safer bet and better return on your investment in the long run.

Laws can change, but inherently profitable industry will stay profitable.


historical note: Protectionist trade policy is actually one of the key reasons that the colonies and England didn't get along to the point that we had a war of independence and this nation was formed, and it was a key factor in Britain's relative weakening from being one of the sole super powers to their current somewhat subordinate position in the west.

They squandered their national profit and economic growth in the service of gaining oversized profits for a specific class of citizens who have/had never been shown to take their profits and reinvest them in the nation without a clearcut profit to themselves.

Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 26, 2017, 08:02:51 PM
https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/824657867965923328

"Trumps White House Press Secretary, Sean Spicer, tweets out password, not once, but twice in 2 days."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3HFu_rXUAIVym8.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3HFuTBXEAALLuu.jpg)


Additionally, to the horror of the InfoSec community, the new administration connected both the official @PressSec and @POTUS Twitter accounts to a GMail inbox:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3HL4afXgAApBCS.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3HMRJuXAAAdagU.jpg)

(apparently these were like that for the first week until they caught flak for it)

As one person remarked, "I THINK there was some sort of discussion about unsecured, personal e-mail addresses being used for government business during the campaign?"


:dohdohdoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 27, 2017, 05:17:57 AM
The head of the international Union of Operating Engineers , along with other heads of the largest unions, met with Trump and apparently trump assured him that he doesn't have an anti-union agenda. With all the RTW stuff being pushed by republicans the labor force has been wondering if this right majority congress will attack Davis-Bacon or not. Not to mention our VP is a notorious union busting former governor.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on January 27, 2017, 08:43:25 AM
Trumps assurances about American workers are about as meaningful and lasting as a fart in the wind.

If he sees or is told that there is easy profit for the oligarch class in union busting you can expect them to be under attack any time now.

Pretty much every one of his actions so far as president has come down to one of these 3:

* make sounds like he's trying to fulfill his inane campaign promises to white nationalists and keep them whipped up with fear of the evil brown men who are coming to destroy America.

* to defame or undermine the legitimacy of the 3 groups of people who can directly call him to account for outright lies and illegal activities (intel agencies, the press and scientists)

* attempts to further corner the wealth of the nation in the hands of a select few, who owe no allegiance to our country, at the expense of consumers and workers here and in other countries.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 27, 2017, 05:04:37 PM
No, but when a union president, a dude that was elected in office to represent hundreds of thousands of workers because he's a die hard union to the core hard ass that doesn't take shit from corporations tells his members that they're gonna be ok it's a little different. Trump's assurances weren't even on my mind when I said that. I'm sure there's a union prez or two that's in someone's pocket but the odds with that  are less with unions than anywhere else. I'd be more inclined to believe that trump told the IUOE president something that actually made him feel ok which is nuts. Callahan is such a hard ass that absolutely has no trust for politicians ESPECIALLY republicans. Whether true or not trump must've said some good things and/or was very convincing. Maybe he swore to veto any repeal of Davis-Bacon, I don't know.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 27, 2017, 09:03:54 PM
Our people in general care more about low price and being cheap than they do about durability or quality of construction,

I don't agree. Thing is... many of the cheaper lower quality import products have price tags on them with ludicrous markups simply because retailers have apparently conspired to set such unreasonable prices. Go to any anchor store (Penney's, Nordstrom, Macy's etc)mall across the country and tell me the clothing they sell is REALLY worth that price on the tag. Because in 6 months they turn it over to one of the sister discount stores like Marshalls and sell it for less than half... and STILL make money. Yeah, Americans DO need to change. Not just consumers, but manufacturers and retailers too. There's unreasonable costs that can be controlled. Execs at the top of companies make too much, retailers spend too much leasing newer outlets decked out in ridiculous decor, etc etc, so many things that foreign competition doesn't do. A fucking baggie of rubber worm fish lures costs less at Kmart than at Bass Pro Shops for a reason. So much of what makes up the culture of modern American retail is just hedonistic excess and waste sometimes. You dont need a 90,000 gallon freshwater aquarium display filled with 40 pound mutant freak largemouth bass to sell me some rubber fuckin' worms, it's just stupid.

As for quality... take electric guitars for example. American made Gibson guitars cost more because they are higher quality. The labor cost of the skilled American handmade craftsmanship, unlike what many guitar geeks might tell you, really isn't as big of a factor like some people think. It's simply made better with better parts and all of it equates to a product with more value. And they are highly sought after products that get exported all over the world. You can't make them exactly the same in China... specifically because EPA standards prohibit the use of the lacquers they use to finish. Dunno about anyone else, but it makes me wonder if the whole "looser EPA regs" thing is really as much of an issue in cost as an overpaid company suit might want everyone to believe so he can keep kicking up larger pieces of the pie to Sam Waltons shitty greedy spoiled kids who are terrible fucking human beings.

Anyway, just my thoughts on it. Doable. Totally doable... as long as the jackasses at the top of the pile are responsible enough to be decent and reasonable. They make 3 million a year though, and they'll have to take a pay cut to make the income go farther... but you try taking a million dollars away from someone without them going postal. Hard for that reason, but technically doable.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 28, 2017, 06:30:03 AM
I remember something about Stradivarius violins.

"Global Warming" is my least favorite topic to discuss. So I won't, but it's related.

The medieval warming period was followed by the little ice age. The farthest cooling dip or minimum was in 1645, and wood acquired from the trees that endured this crazy cold weather made the highest quality Stradivarius violins. Apparently the tone was unparalleled from these and are priceless today. It made me think about it when focalor discussed American vs foreign guitars being that the climate where the wood/trees were grown even matters.

Also those largemouth's in the tank are cool. I feel bad for the stripers, spotted gar, and tarpon they throw in that prefer a little more salinity. Their colors change big time and they get growths on them and shit. The red drum(channel bass/red fish) are always the healthiest looking fish at a bass pro shops funny enough.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 28, 2017, 07:30:40 PM
US electric guitars vs Japan/China/Indonesia/etc electric guitars as far as the wood goes, they probably all use certain woods grown from the same place, especially for fingerboards. Some of the traditional and most popular woods are becoming "endangered", and they're starting to put restrictions on their usage. Dark ebony, which is usually a black color and was typically found on things like the various Gibson ES semi-hollowbody and Les Paul Custom guitars, is basically illegal to use now. Gibson now uses some kind of synthetic plank on those now, including the $7000 BB King models, which is kinda retarded. Its cheaper than ebony, yet the guitar has still gone UP in price since they started using it. I think some overseas makers still use ebony, but I dunno what the deal is with importing and customs and why they don't prohibit and confiiscate it. Saw a video with Peter Frampton in it a week or so ago and he mentioned his old Les Paul Custom Black Beauty that he couldn't travel with for fear that customs might take it. And actually traditional rosewood is going to added to the list of endangered woods as well. I think Gibson and Fender are already starting to use another species of non-endangered rosewood (Brazillian rosewood or something I think, I dunno). Its kinda lighter almost orangeish colored compared to regular dark brown rosewood.

Anyway, US makers may use the same wood from the same trees from the same suppliers that Japan does, but US makers only use the higher graded cuts, they use proper wood glue rather than epoxy, and they dont piece together things with scraps to make a 20 piece body blank like the idiots in China might. So theoretically you could make a 2 grand US made Gibson SG and a 300 dollar Chinese Epiphone Les Paul Jr from the same tree, but because of differnt wood grades and costruction, they will sound VASTLY different.

As for Stradivarius violins, its more likely the age and meticulous 100% handmade construction that determines the price. Supposedly as tonewoods dry out more and more over a period of several decades, their clarity and sound improves. I dunno how true that really is. Anybody with an antique stringed wooden instrument is SUPPOSED to keep the thing in a humidor so it won't dry out totally because then the wood will split. I have an old late 1950's Silvertone acoustic guitar that has split all over the place for that very reason.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on January 28, 2017, 09:32:17 PM
:lolsign:


https://www.youtube.com/v/oS6vCqiXhxQ

:lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 29, 2017, 12:16:23 AM
She glares at him like that even when he's NOT horndoggin' it. She's a fucking bitch with resting bitch face syndrome.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 29, 2017, 04:06:29 AM
Trump is more ban happy than I am on the tourney servers.  :oops:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 29, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
Trump is more ban happy than I am on the tourney servers.  :oops:

Haha!  :dohdohdoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 29, 2017, 10:04:53 AM
The rise of the New Bigotry: The modern Left's obsession with identity politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTHFLqJfdq8
https://www.youtube.com/v/QTHFLqJfdq8

So much cringe.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 29, 2017, 02:29:44 PM
Concerning the 7 countries that were a part of Trump's 120 day immigration ban:

I'll take a devil's advocate stance with this since you have to turn on Fox News to see something positive about it(positive and retarded).

-No, it's not what he proposed during his campaign which essentially targeted muslims although everyone's calling it a Muslim ban.......YET.

- There's no morocco, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait , etc on that list for a reason. Some say trump didn't include the countries he does business with or other corrupt things. I think it's a weird coincidence that those are the non-asshole countries but we'll see. Yes, the Saudis were conveniently left out and are very wealthy and have been linked to funding terrorism. But, when have they NOT caught a break with that?

- I see so many people from the left criticizing what America has done in history, and rightfully so. I agree with it, but they completely turn a blind eye to other parts of history. In 1948 the UN looked through history and decided the Jewish people had a rightful claim to Israel after it was taken from them by the Ottoman Empire. But where were the Jews at before 1948? They were scattered out through the Middle East. Ok, so why aren't there any living there anymore? Because the Jews were SO happy to have a country of their own that they all left their homes and jobs to go there? HELL no. Those Arab countries said 'Well, y'all got your own country now, so get the fuck outta here mother fuckers'. Maybe one of those countries that booted out 3/4 million Jews should take some refugees.

-A lot of countries don't take refugees. Mexico doesn't, and the US did it during the Great Depression.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on January 29, 2017, 03:42:01 PM
Bloomberg noted that the Muslim country ban only consisted of countries where Trump doesn't have business connections to, which explains why Saudi Arabia and the UAE weren't on the ban list, even though the 9/11 hijackers came from there: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/


https://www.youtube.com/v/ofmgafP9Ht4

It was hilarious to see this Congressman's opinion of Trump's immigration ban get destroyed by this CNN journalist. He has no valid response.

My take on the ban is that Trump doesn't know wtf he is doing (as usual), and overall neither does his administration. The true mastermind behind the ban probably is Steve Bannon, since not only does he write the executive orders, he's a known white nationalist whose ideals want to see an end to immigration, most definitely of Muslims and Latinos. This immigration ban is suppose to last only 90-120 days, which I am assuming the Trump administration is trying to use in order to buy some time to come up with a more comprehensive plan on immigration policy. Right now, the Trump administration doesn't have anything really besides: "build the wall" and somehow get Mexico to pay for it.

IMO, we have a bunch of headless chickens operating the executive branch. The worst thing about it is that they have a lot of extremist views. Trump says he wants to strength the police and so I don't even want to see what that would entail. I guess he never learned anything about Ferguson. This administration seems to be a combination of ill-informed, ill-experienced, stupid and too willing to push agendas without verifying it with experts. Very dangerous.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 29, 2017, 06:15:05 PM
Bloomberg noted that the Muslim country ban only consisted of countries where Trump doesn't have business connections to

Hm. It's being reported the 7 countries were precisely those already having travel visa restrictions selected by the Obama administration:

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration

Quote
The countries were chosen during Barack Obama's presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.
[…]
At the initial signing of the restrictions, foreigners who would normally be deemed eligible for a visa waiver were denied if they had visited Iran, Syria, Sudan or Iraq in the past five years or held dual citizenship from one of those countries.

In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.

So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 29, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
Barton: Yes. Valid points but in general I'd be open-minded to the thought that this administration wants foreign leaders to think exactly how you are. I'm not saying it's the case, but it could be a statement by trump to command respect from others because they think he's dangerous. George W had that quality although way different than trump. Times have changed since Teddy Roosevelt's show of force when he sent our brand new all-iron naval ships around to tour the world. There's new ways of doing things. Trump accomplishes this extremely well as long as his strings are being pulled appropriately by smarter people than him.

I'm always posting from my iPhone and it's a tad more difficult to get everything I'd normally say across.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 30, 2017, 12:05:02 AM
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/no-one-seems-bothered-with-16-muslim-countries-where-israelis-are-banned/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 30, 2017, 01:01:50 AM
The rise of the New Bigotry: The modern Left's obsession with identity politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTHFLqJfdq8

So much cringe.

The worst part about it is people like her are in a weird kinda way more "racist" than ACTUAL average American racists. Her facepalmingly transparent prime motivation for saying that is to cement the black vote, which basically means she thinks they're stupid enough to be played so easily, which is sort of a racist and predatory mentallity, right?

Thing is, it's not a behavior exclusive to the Democraps. The Republicunts do it too. Righteous outrage about races victimizing each other seems more and more like it's really just a convenient smokescreen used to divert the stupid peoples attention away from the bigger real issue of how badly they're being fucked and victimized by the ruling class.

People shouldn't be smashing windows and burning stores because the Republican guy won and racism sucks. They should be smashing windows and burning stores because it makes no fucking difference if he won or not.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 30, 2017, 08:21:21 AM
Yup. I know I lean to the right a tad, but it's actions like that and many others that really piss me off about the left. Younger people especially.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

I'm not saying I agree with the angle of this video since they conveniently left out the main argument against it(blacks in rural areas and republicans having a different motive behind the voter ID law) but look at our younger left generation. They don't even know the argument against it, say it's racist, when they themselves are categorizing from their ignorance. Those represent a massive amount of Hillary votes and piss me off just as much as your worst and most ignorant trump supporters.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 31, 2017, 10:36:58 AM
With all the RTW stuff being pushed by republicans the labor force has been wondering if this right majority congress will attack Davis-Bacon or not.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-introduces-national-right-to-work-legislation/article/2613428#!

 :raincloud:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on February 02, 2017, 12:20:02 PM
They should call it "right to get paid a 3rd of what you do, and defend yourself against million dollar lawyers" legislation.

Man they're batting a thousand.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 03, 2017, 09:16:17 AM
A gaggle of Black Bloc anarcho-communists, postmodernist intersectional "Social Justice Warriors", and Useful Idiots rioted at UC Berkeley this week, in order to prevent someone from speaking whose opinions they didn't want to hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBC1Jw3VG3Q
https://www.youtube.com/v/PBC1Jw3VG3Q


And at which they were allowed to succeed:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3oE0iYWMAQedMj.jpg)


A professor of gender studies makes a distinguished appearance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuxKuXregpk
https://www.youtube.com/v/NuxKuXregpk



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 03, 2017, 09:22:02 AM
This one is amazing, beginning just after the 16 minute mark. "Is it ok to punch a Nazi? Leading ethicists weigh in." The journalist who can't seem to comprehend that it's not OK to commit violence against people who merely express political opinions you find distasteful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyC80feMcgU
https://www.youtube.com/v/DyC80feMcgU


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 03, 2017, 01:36:42 PM
I looked around and saw some footage of comments he made at another university. Yeah, I can kinda see why protests might happen. He's very anti-Islam, and considering he had to already know beforehand what kinda culture they have going on at UC Berkley,... he's just a dumbass. I don't get why universities let folks like him speak anyway. Not just him, but ANYONE. Enough with the speeches already. These kids already hear enough lunacy from their professors during classes, they don't need more people trying to shoehorn their fears, prejudices, and dumb ideas into their spongey little heads. If anything, they shouldnt be protesting WITH professors, they should be protesting AGAINST their asshole professors specifically. "TEACH ME TEACH ME! DONT FUCKIN PREACH TO ME!"

I guess thats a hidden plus for online college courses. You dont have to listen to a math professor rant about their views on race, which is totally relative to math, right?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 03, 2017, 05:41:26 PM
The vast majority of public colleges are nuts with liberal and "progressive" rhetoric if one is pursuing a liberal arts degree which all these kids are. And at UC Berkeley there's one of the most severe contrasts with this and the dude giving the speech. I guess you could definitely say why have a speaker like that for this reason but uhh... I went to a liberal arts school too, a large public university. We had public speakers ALL the time. They were mostly bat shit crazy. Mostly ridiculously left-sided speakers or crazy religious people like that blind guy from little Nicky. Let me get a link.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YY-QgZv3zk

I was used to guys talking like that ALL the time on my way or in between classes. I'd tell him to kiss my ass in passing, or grab one of his cheaply made mini bibles because the pages were doable if I ran out of rolling papers.

Millenials seem to be very sensitive and get very offended then go crazy and put it all over social media though. I'd lean on allowing the speaker there not being the primary issue.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 04, 2017, 12:56:00 AM
Haha, that's Quentin Tarantino. He pretty much IS bat shit crazy.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 04, 2017, 07:18:35 AM
Haha I didn't realize that's him. I've seen guys crazier than that though speaking on campus. Doing the most anti-gay "religious" speech you'd imagine. When he approached me I'd just say fuck you faggot(word choice specifically used), keep walking, then forgot about it 2 minutes later. Now a speaker like this would make national news and 200 kids would need counseling after briefly witnessing it, possibly a safe space. The college experience is just too much for them.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on February 05, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
https://timesofislamabad.com/donald-trump-to-deport-8-million-immigrants-la-times/2017/02/05/


https://www.youtube.com/v/qukPLN1kFws



(Admin edit: Fix broken youtube link)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on February 06, 2017, 04:35:44 AM
I've been busy and also sick so I haven't been able to catch up to this thread, but yeah, the immigration ban is definitely a ban on some Muslims because there are clips which show Trump calling it a Muslim ban during the election and even after when he became president, with Trump showing favoritism towards countries who he does business with (how hypocritical lol). Also, if Trump was thinking of showing favoritism to Syrian Christians that is even more proof that the ban is based on religion rather than terrorism. Lastly, I heard the seven country list came from the Obama administration which is true but he never had a ban immigration. He only prolonged the process on Iraqi refugees temporarily, last I read. 

Anyway, now Trump is furious over people challenging his ban in the federal courts. lol.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on February 06, 2017, 09:30:29 AM
I guess if it has the exact same effect of a ban, and you call it a ban, people like judges who spend all day at their jobs determining the intent of words, might get confused and think you really meant to ban people.

I'm starting to wonder if certain members of this administration are dumb enough to believe their own alternative facts. It wasn't as scary when we could assume they were just really crafty propagandists working to pit us against each other for their gain, but this drinking their own Koolaid stuff is terrifying when you start to look into who is mixing the aforementioned drink and find it's guys like Bannon.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 06, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
I just wanna say... fuck the Muslims. If you people love em so much and think they're so nice, then go live with em. But you won't... because they fuckin suck and you know it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 06, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
I agree with focalor. They suck, here's a guy that's in Iraq:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPMD2k9FUg

You can say it's our fault for fucking with them and being world police. Sure, if you want to only look at the past 30 years. Those people have been the crazies of the past millennium.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on February 06, 2017, 04:08:15 PM
I just wanna say... fuck the Muslims. If you people love em so much and think they're so nice, then go live with em. But you won't... because they fuckin suck and you know it.

I agree with you. I'm glad that I live here than the Middle East, but everywhere you go there are always people that you wish you could avoid living with. For me, I'd also not like to live with Christians, since I feel they hold back society various ways (e.g. abortion, stem cell research, LGBT rights, science), however I have to deal with them being here too. Luckily though they wised up and don't believe in the crazy commands and beliefs that are still written in their holy text, as the Muslims do.

The thing that I don't like about this ban is that it is discriminatory and does nothing positive for us.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 06, 2017, 04:41:38 PM
Since you mentioned christians, think about the worst of all Christians. A closet KKK member that rapes/sodomizes his children. We condemn that shit here, but over there THAT'S NORMAL. My bro's ex gf half Muslim was but fucked by her dad. I've met another with a similar story and I don't know TOO many. That's who we've admitted into our country. Yes there are plenty of good people but it's a fucked up culture. The "normal" ones remain silent or just shrug their shoulders because extremists, rape, murder, publicly beheading your wife in front of police is a part of their society.

The media and politicians want to give us two sides to pick. A Muslim hater or a morally good person. Believe it or not you can despise and disagree with trump, not be a racist, and support black lives matter and still think those camel jockeys are nuts.  :ubershock:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on February 06, 2017, 05:23:58 PM
My problem with this sort of order has nothing to do with which religion is targeted by it.

I have serious issues with being sold a crock of shit and being told it's a bar of gold, when the seller is our government who I pay my taxes to support.

The entire thrust of the administrations reasoning for this executive action is the mythological ease with which scary brown people can come here unvetted to terrorize us, and that they could supposedly do it right now in an instant. (which pretty much everyone else agrees is untrue)

The border wall starts to look like an effective idea when compared to this completely stupid executive action on immigration: At the very least it has the potential to keep unvetted people out of the country. Saying over and over that there is no checking on asylum seekers and immigrants and refugees, does not change the fact that it actually does exist and it's fairly strict and it involves multiple departments of our national security apparatus and it takes more than a year.

The whole "we have to do it or they'll rush in before we slam the door" line of reasoning is based on this bullshit that the facts easily disprove.

We don't need a government "fixing" a nonexistent problem, when the vast majority of people who were killed here by 'terrorists' were killed by people who did not come from any of the targeted countries, and who were commonly born here or legally residing here with no previous signs of danger to us.

Their nonsensical fixing of nonexistent problems as an apparent mechanism for pushing toward the erosion of the rights of people who are here legally, is my major problem with this.

If they can just say "national security" and make some shit up, and then do whatever they please regardless of legality, morality or adherence to the constitution, then I don't expect well meaning muslims who are attempting to emigrate from these handful of nations to be the last people harmed by this administration.

These are the sort of actions that show you how they will probably govern: so far it looks like they will blow smoke up our asses, loudly make claims about fake dangers to drum up support for their actions, and damage our standing in the world and our personal rights for other reasons than the ones they are claiming.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 07, 2017, 05:25:44 AM
Or maybe you're a touchy feely PC warrior blowing shit out of proportion. Banning travel from certain hostile countries doesn't effect the civil rights of anyone here. And anyone from those countries are not guaranteed any "rights" as they are not qualifying citizens. Again I say: fuck em. People wanna equate it to racist discrimination when it's more along the lines of rational self interest. There's a big difference between saying "Go back to Africa." and "You should have remained in Mexico all along." and anyone who can't see the difference doesn't want to because they're preoccupied by "feelings".
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on February 07, 2017, 08:45:34 AM
Where I live used to be Mexico until relatively not that long ago. Most of the people who immigrated here illegally this year would not have been doing so illegally 200 years ago. (the USA was already a thing at this point)

Where you live, not even 200 years ago, we deported the Native Americans who had lived there for a thousand years, into territories west of the Mississippi, and destroyed their culture intentionally for reasons including religion.

There's nothing PC about understanding history as a series of changes over time, and knowing that what we think of as "Our America" or "Here" today, was someone else's America yesterday and will probably be someone else's America tomorrow.

Banning travel from those countries actually has already affected the civil rights of people who live here, but were traveling at the time to those places and were rendered unable to return or detained at an airport for no reason.

Banning travel from those countries for the express purpose of stopping Muslim immigration doesn't bother YOU, because you aren't a Muslim. Plenty of other AMERICANS are, and plenty of them have family that doesn't live here, just like plenty of anglo-saxon americans have relatives that do not live here but instead live in parts of Europe.

Being unable to visit your family, due to the religion of a majority of people in the country where they live (that they may not even follow) would seem like a bit of an imposition on someone's rights who is HERE.

If we were talking about rational self interest, maybe that list should include nations that are chock full of actual terrorists who hate us, and not just ones that are full of Muslims who don't do business with us.


Who let the Afghan Taliban run back and forth across their border with impunity to evade us, provided training and shelter for Al Queda, and who was hiding Osama Fucking bin Laden for years until we found out and killed him? Pakistan. NOT ON LIST.

Where did the 9/11 Hijackers primarily come from? Saudi Arabia. NOT ON LIST.

Where did millions of undocumented Syrians go while their country was in the grips of a civil war and had exactly fuckall for border controls and was being overrun by ISIS? Turkey. NOT ON LIST.


If being rational had a thing to do with this ban, or protecting us from imported terrorists was the goal, then they done fucked up.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 07, 2017, 09:04:29 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xEMHKO5MC6c

Here's a group of western/America Muslims, your average moderate Sunni.

European countries have already been invaded via their peaceful jihad(immigration then having 10 kids per family) and now their elected officials are slowly becoming more and more Muslim. I'm not sorry for not wanting their caveman  backwards as fuck regressive bullshit in our country. They can keep it over there. It does nothing good for us.

I know many countries are left out. But an temporary immigration ban doesn't bother me in the least. Fuck 'em. They don't give a shit about you, so you shouldn't about them, even if someone as stupid as trump is the driving force. I know the left is foaming at the mouth for chances to badmouth him and they come a lot. My opinion still stands.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on February 07, 2017, 10:33:10 AM
Would it bother you if that temporary ban on immigration was on people from Ireland?

They have a bunch of radical catholic terrorists living there, and catholicism isn't known for being a nonviolent religion.


The real point is not who they are banning, it's that if you give them the power to impose blanket bans on people for reasons other than their personal activities being dangerous or illegal, then you open the door to banning people from entering our country for any reason.
You allow them to start imposing other things upon people like limiting their freedom of movement in general because of a belief they hold or a place they didn't choose to be born. (just like the native americans I referenced who were systematically rounded up and destroyed for not being christian white men, even though they were born here)

The reasons don't have to be religion or origin or race.. They could easily become things like having your own opinion that doesn't agree with those of the "leaders" if you throw out the requirements that those leaders follow the law and the intent of our constitution, or respect the lives and rights of all people and not just US citizens.

That thing you just did by expressing a diverging opinion? By US law, that is just as illegal and dangerous as being a muslim or being born in Syria, by which I mean, it's not at all.


You cannot forget that this is an administration led by a man who has spent the last week vehemently telling us via twitter that if polls and reported facts don't agree with his world view, they are fake news and damaging lies.

I don't trust him or any of the barely competent people he has "hired" to be the ones to decide what is acceptable conduct in this country. We have a constitution and laws for that, and the executive branch is not tasked with making or changing those.

The court that is in charge of determining what those laws mean, including the first amendment, has plenty of precedent that would imply that the state cannot infringe upon the rights of people (not limited to citizens) who practice a specific religion. Even if we were to go by the currently less popular compelling interest doctrine, the state must show a strong reason for this specific infringement that benefits the public and so far the "state" in the form of Donal Trump has declined to display this compelling interest of the people/state. All they've done is trot out the brown people boogeyman without evidence that these actions would benefit us or even protect us from said boogeyman.

In any other context I might not expect the worst from our government, but with a House of Reps that's controlled by republicans who show exactly no ability or desire to reign in Trump and the people he placed in positions of power, and vacancies on the supreme court that could shift the balance of that branch of government for the rest of our lives, it would be stupid not to guard against "the worst".

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 08, 2017, 04:43:07 PM
They've gotten to you.

Farewell, Dervish. We hardly knew ye. :beer:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 26, 2017, 04:15:47 PM
(http://www.gorrellart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Gorrell02.08.17.jpg)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Barton on March 04, 2017, 08:54:06 AM
I laughed:
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/836782826133549057

Especially after reading this article and Trump's tweets: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/04/518478158/president-trump-accuses-obama-of-wire-tapping-provides-no-evidence

That lady was right.  :nana:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: jägermonsta on March 06, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DGmezSQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 06, 2017, 06:05:35 PM
Hehe. We figured you for dead. Welcome back.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: jägermonsta on March 07, 2017, 07:40:08 AM
Ohhh I'm still alive. Heard a new Quake was coming out this year which reminded me of tastyspleen. Glad to see it still exists! Might just have to get ol' Q2 running again.  :beer:

 
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: ImperiusDamian on March 09, 2017, 06:38:03 PM
Ohhh I'm still alive. Heard a new Quake was coming out this year which reminded me of tastyspleen. Glad to see it still exists! Might just have to get ol' Q2 running again.  :beer:

I never stopped running it. Except during Windows reinstalls due to hard drive failures.

(Oh and to keep this thread on topic, FUCK ALL POLITICIANS, THEY CAN SUCK MY FAT HAIRY ASS CRACK.)

John Carmack for President!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 13, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6qHf4FWwAAZIQL.jpg)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 13, 2017, 07:25:03 PM
If we're talking about Russia from after the revolution until the fall of the USSR, then I don't think it entirely qualifies as a true communist state. A dictatorship with a few communist leanings, sure. I never paid particularly close attention in history class when it came to Russia and communism, but from what little I didn't sleep through or ignore while doodling, communism by the definition that was given seemed far more hippie-ish and conscientious than Stalin ever would've been.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 14, 2017, 01:02:44 PM
from what little I didn't sleep through or ignore while doodling, communism by the definition that was given seemed far more hippie-ish and conscientious than Stalin ever would've been.

The hippie types seem to miss out on the fine print; that being: due to the level of authoritarian control required over the lives of every individual in order to enforce its ideology, Communism is unavoidably a totalitarian system.

Tyrannical dictatorships, class warfare, bloody purges, famine—all seem to be natural consequences of a system which is fundamentally opposed to economic freedom and individual liberty.

This is how it's "supposed" to work:

(https://i1.wp.com/www.learning-mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Hand-People.jpg)

Yeah, Workers' Freedom! Down with the bourgeoisie! Anyone who started their own company and now has employees is merely exploiting the working class! Their assets need to be confiscated and put under government control. The regime will enforce equality of outcome by eliminating freedom of opportunity! Yay!

(http://memecrunch.com/meme/BNUAB/commie-gnomes/image.jpg)

They never seem to explain the missing step between totalitarian state and worker's paradise.  ;)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on March 14, 2017, 01:28:27 PM
The key to communism that works is to breed specially designed communal animals that actually can exist within a system where they don't expect immediate personal rewards for their behavior and that can exist without any urges to compete.

We are hard coded to compete with anything that requires the same resources that we do to live. We have instincts to seek out and repeat rewarding behaviors that were laid down by millions of years of that being the driving force behind the improvement and success of lifeforms.

You can try to layer a system of government over top of that, but one that doesn't take into account the conditions of our lives and the concept of individuals being inherently different and of different value, is bound to not fit our needs. You can try to bend men to fit a system of government, but in the long term we will snap back to our natural state with millions of years of reinforcement behind it.

All men were not created equal, and although they probably still deserve the same set of basic rights, they are not interchangeable cogs in the machine of society.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 14, 2017, 02:19:24 PM
It shouldn't be assumed that I find the ideas of communism to be attractive at all. Nah. My opinion of it is... the hidden meaning of that first drawing: that everyone gets majorly fisted.

However, it's not hard to see where someone might find it to be a good idea. The 'Murican way of doing shit doesn't seem eternally sustainable, completely ethical, or environmentally responsible. It's driven by greed, and that makes it easy to demonize.

Capitalism still makes more sense though, and unless human society changes very drastically, that will always be the case. Humans ARE shitty greedy bastards. You can struggle against the current, but the river isn't going to flow the other way because you think it should. Some things people just need to learn to live with. Because denying reality is called religion. And for thousands of years, religion and government were one in the same... until 'Murica came along. Isn't it obvious? We ARE the progress of mankind in the world that Karl Marx only wished he was cool enough to write a book about.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Whirlingdervish on March 14, 2017, 03:19:25 PM
I wish someone would tell the far religious right about that whole separation of church and state in Merka.

 :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 14, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
I've told them, believe me. They just don't give a shit. :D
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on May 31, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
Recap / analysis of the ongoing debacle at Evergreen college:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ua5V1qhYg0
https://www.youtube.com/v/2Ua5V1qhYg0


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on May 31, 2017, 07:55:42 PM
This sums it up  :dohdohdoh: :frustration:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 02, 2017, 05:51:49 AM
(Did I mention this before? Can't remember) This is what happens when you make it a regular habit of giving every kid a participation trophy. They grow up thinking the world always owes them something just for showing up and being there. They grow up thinking that everything in life should always be fair and equal regardless of ANY AND ALL circumstances. Only... that's totally NOT what they think. They don't give a fuck about fair and equal. Because if they did, they'd take the time to LISTEN to the opinions of others and possibly attempt to reach a compromise.

Notice this shit is predominately occurring in west coast democrat majority states. Democrats think they're the only party with a fucking brain, and they're gonna save the country from racist misogynist scumbags like Trump come next election. Well... who's gonna save us from YOUR FUCKING KIDS. Because this kinda shit is only gonna get worse.

Thing is... I totally see the point of hardline Democrats thinking the Republicans are loony out of touch shitheads. Neither one of them seem to be willing to admit what's REALLY fucking this country up. It's money. Both of these fuckholes are raping us. Now that we've navigated out of the "recession" (not depression, dontcha know), cities are "assessing property values" and since real estate is booming, property taxes are taking off like fucking rocketships. Sales taxes are going up everywhere. The problem is not that they don't have enough money to do shit. The problem is, like our brilliant children at the west coast colleges, they can't be bothered to make compromises and work within the reasonable parameters of this thing called a "budget". <keanu reeves impression>Like.... Fuck a budget, that shit's sooooooo hard, dude.</impression> So rather than being reasonable human beings, let's be lazy fucking assholes and just raise taxes. Because they can't cut spending. If they did that, the poor would lose benefits. ...Meanwhile.... the poor are losing the benefits of having any money to live on, but at least they still get benefits, HURR HURR HURR.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Booya on June 09, 2017, 04:46:25 AM
Posted by: |iR|Focalor
who's gonna save us from YOUR FUCKING KIDS. Because this kinda shit is only gonna get worse.


Pretty Much.  :dohdohdoh:  :forceac:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ShGbJl1oI

That's the edguhmicatcion system for ya, scary isn't it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on June 09, 2017, 08:27:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ShGbJl1oI

That's the edguhmicatcion system for ya, scary isn't it.

(Here's the original in HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM
https://www.youtube.com/v/iKcWu0tsiZM



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on June 10, 2017, 12:48:04 AM
Evergreen, pt. 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mgi6X7ffiQ
https://www.youtube.com/v/3mgi6X7ffiQ

:dohdohdoh: :ohlord:



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on June 13, 2017, 09:15:16 AM
huehuehue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMpIA4QEVo
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZCMpIA4QEVo

quality tutorial, rating: 9 out of 11


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 21, 2017, 07:01:29 AM
I lick pussy because I love America. :D

(https://i1.wp.com/naughtybits.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/No-matter-what-youir-political-views....jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on June 21, 2017, 01:33:53 PM
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Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on June 30, 2017, 11:57:46 AM
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/KIM-JONG-UN-791251.jpg)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/world/asia/north-korea-south-korea-assassination-threat.html


SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea issued standing orders on Wednesday for the “miserable dog’s death” execution of South Korea’s imprisoned former president and her spy chief, and improbably demanded that its southern adversary extradite them.

Conveyed in a statement issued via North Korea’s official news agency, the execution orders came nearly two months after the isolated, nuclear-armed country accused the South Korean intelligence service of conspiring with the C.I.A. to assassinate the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, using biochemical poisons.

“We declare at home and abroad that we will impose death penalty on traitor Park Geun-hye and Mr. Lee,” said the statement from the North’s Ministry of State Security, Ministry of People’s Security and Central Public Prosecutors Office. The statement said the pair’s crime was “hideous state-sponsored terrorism.”


Ms. Park and Mr. Lee “can never make any appeal even though they meet a miserable dog’s death anytime, at any place and by whatever methods from this moment,” the statement said.




President Trump Sends Final Warning to North Korea | Full Press Conference w/ President Moon 6/30/17


https://www.youtube.com/v/yBKVDKcMX4Y


Ok, no more playing, it looks like within a year something is going down in this region. Trump is going to do something here, i have no doubt any more. This guy is fucking insane. But what i don't understand is how in 2017, can the united states not assassinate this guy? We spend trillions on military spending and research and we cant take out this idiot in a handicapped country? Seems to me our CIA / NSA / Hidden government agencies are useless, or people in power want this guy to remain put to justify the endless spending.  :yuck:

This is the one dude who i can see letting everything go and dropping his entire arsenal in a suicide spiral. hes not ganna stop firing his missiles and hes not going to listen to china or anyone,  this guy is truly rogue.  :???:

Millions of people are ganna die, this is going to be bad
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 30, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
You said it: China. The US can't do anything really. Even if Kim Jong Un gets plinked by a sniper, someone under him would hit the button. And even if they didn't, China would disapprove of direct military engagement of a fellow sovreign communist nation, especially one on their border. We want China as a friend. Walmart wouldn't have shit to sell without China. July 4th is coming, we need cheap flip flops, chinette, and sparklers. We'll die without em.

Bottom line is they gots the nukes. It's understood that nuclear nations don't fuck with each other directly. Mutual Assured Destruction, the end of all life on this planet, all that kinda cool shit.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on July 07, 2017, 04:39:37 PM
So-called "anti-fascist" thugs (AntiFa) rioting and setting fires in Hamburg, Germany this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUlC7oVEtrk
https://www.youtube.com/v/qUlC7oVEtrk


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on July 07, 2017, 06:40:01 PM
Ah-ha. I think I get it now. Anything that isn't communist is fascist. Good to know kids these days are capable of critical thinking. There's no way these brilliant kids are getting used and abused by the devils speaking poison in their ears.

I'd say, "Oh well, it's Germany, at least it ain't America, fuck 'em.", but... I'm afraid the fucking retards in the US just pushing dumpsters around and breaking a couple windows will see how they do shit elsewhere, and it'll give them the courage to go a little farther with their destructiveness.

I've been saying for years, "Fuck non-violent protests. Protest violently and fuck someone up! VIOLENCE WORKS! It's the entire reason why 'Terrorists' are 'Terrorists'!" And finally, kids are actually starting to realize this truth... only, it's the wrong fucking ones.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on August 10, 2017, 12:07:23 AM
Trump just threatened North Korea again, and this Time he used similar language that Kim Jong in usually uses...


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/08/08/trump-warns-north-korea-threats-will-be-met-with-fire-and-fury.html

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States," Trump told reporters, speaking slowly and deliberately with his arms crossed in front of him. "They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. He has been very threatening ... and as I said they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before."
Later Tuesday, North Korea's state media said that the country was considering a strategy to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with mid- to long-range missiles, according to Reuters.


I spent a lot of the day watching the news and a lot of people are pretty nervous and scared...

Trump is a rational man, he has a family, he believes in god... He is the president of the United States...

And yet he's seriously threatening nuclear war.

For fuck sakes just give Kim Jong un the security and recognition that he wants. Give him money give him stature, make him a monarch, fuck it. We lost, we lost a long time ago.

Theres no reason to get millions of people killed. Let him win, let him grow old and let time soften his anger at the world. We should continue to concentrate on preventing other countries from development, but we need to let this one go. I'm really concerned, none of us knows Kim jong uns real temperament... Trump needs to back down
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on August 10, 2017, 02:57:02 AM
I don't agree with letting that crazy little Korean kid in the doctor evil outfit win. The threats world leaders use are dumb, and they're empty threats mostly used as scare tactics. The concept of it is stupid but it's a reality. We'll have to see if Trump fighting fire with fire(these other leaders make those threats all the time) works I guess. Keep in mind that everyone in the world thought George W was a dumb cowboy and it scared them to death, which equated to respect despite any other aspects of his presidency.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 10, 2017, 03:11:51 AM
May the ghost of Ronald Reagan kick you squarely in the nuts.

WE. DO. NOT. NEGOTIATE. WITH. TERRORISTS.

Never back down from a bitch. Piecemeal, it convinces the bitch that he is not a bitch. This emboldens the bitch to do increasingly dumb shit. Thus why you NEVER BACK DOWN FROM A BITCH. EVER.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on August 10, 2017, 11:51:08 AM
May the ghost of Ronald Reagan kick you squarely in the nuts.

WE. DO. NOT. NEGOTIATE. WITH. TERRORISTS.

What do you call the Iran deal?

The minute he got 1 bomb, the game was over. We never physically hit russia, we just got them to change their minds.

" The Soviet economy could not keep up with that of the United States or, indeed, with the fast-developing market economies in Asia. Thus it was left with no alternative but to undertake fundamental reform. Ronald Reagan’s support for greatly increased American military spending, not least on his Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), forced the Soviet Union to admit defeat and to pursue a concessionary foreign policy. Victory went to the side with the greater economic and military strength, and President Reagan, having the stronger cards at his disposal, played them well. In this account Mikhail Gorbachev was enough of a realist to see the direction in which history was moving and to accommodate himself to it."

WHO IS KIM JONG UN? He does not appear to be rational. He is trying to perfect the mistakes of hitler..

Unsanction the fucker and let his power die from within. eventually his people will revolt, its just a matter of when, not if. Maybe 30 years? Who knows, but its better than nuclear war
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on August 10, 2017, 12:22:20 PM
Where's the don't feed the troll emote when ya need it?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 10, 2017, 04:25:52 PM
WHO IS KIM JONG UN? He does not appear to be rational. He is trying to perfect the mistakes of hitler..

Unsanction the fucker and let his power die from within. eventually his people will revolt, its just a matter of when, not if. Maybe 30 years? Who knows, but its better than nuclear war

If you're gonna equate him to Hitler in one breath, and then say "Let's concede." with the next breath, then clearly you haven't studied enough about Hitler. The Allies worst mistake was giving in to the territorial demands that Germany made when they annexed the Sudetenland, Rhineland, Poland, and then eventually most of western europe. British PM Neville Chamberlain's downfall was HELPING Hitler get tons of strategic military manufacturing power and territory in the Rhineland without even firing a shot. So if we're gonna make Hitler comparisons, let's agree that making concessions is what emboldened him and strengthened the rhetoric that he was the German messiah, which further helped Hitler's efforts of pushing his country (as well as the whole of Europe) back into a re-fighting of WW1.

And WW2 really didn't last that long when you consider how long most wars in history usually go for. And it killed EXPONENTIALLY more people in a very small amount of time, and it ended only when one nation was fucking nuts enough to set off a couple of nuclear bombs. So consider what "might" happen if someone fails to learn from the mistakes of the past and GIVES IN to this fat little zipperhead fucker in a Bond villain suit.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on August 10, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
We should setup a "Go Fund Me" to send 2Dum to North Korea to work this thing out.  We only need enough money to get him there  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on August 11, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
...WW2... ended only when one nation was fucking nuts enough to set off a couple of nuclear bombs. So consider what "might" happen if someone fails to learn from the mistakes of the past and GIVES IN to this fat little zipperhead fucker in a Bond villain suit.


The lesson to be learned from WW2 is that Japan was delusional, and when you fight a delusional enemy, they will kamikaze your ass to hell until you nuclear bomb the will out of their anus.

we did not concede shit to japan... when you face a delusional enemy, giving in or not makes no difference. Kim jong is not a Gorbachov, he belongs in arkham asylum.

There is going to be a war on the korean peninsula unless we back off.

The north korean black market is alive, they read our news and watch our movies. All it takes is 1 soldier with balls to put an end to him. Eventually it will happen.

 
You sound all too comfortable with nuclear war.
 

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 11, 2017, 03:49:53 AM
You're completely overlooking everything I said concerning your Hitler/Kim comparison, either by stupidity or by willful ignorance. I'm gonna be nice an assume it's willful ignorance because you know I make an excellent point that is hard to argue against.

Japan was not the focus of the comparison, nor should it be. Your beginning and repeated assertion was that Kim, like Hitler, is a batshit crazy delusional dictator with murderous ideals who belongs in a loony bin. Traditionally, no one has ever categorized either Emperor Hirohito or General Tojo Hideki as "crazy", at least not "crazy" in the same way that Hitler and the Kim dynasty was/is. Furthermore, far less total people died in the Pacific theater than in the European theater.

You sound all too comfortable with nuclear war.

Not at all. I grew up in the Reagan 80's and still remember how terrified everyone was that the Soviets were gonna hit the big red button and turn the entire earth into a lifeless wasteland of radioactive ash. Britain agreeing to concede territory to Germany is the first domino that fell in a long line of dominos which "ended"* with us dropping nukes on Japan. Had nothing been occurring in Europe, Japan probably wouldn't have had the balls to draw an economic powerhouse like the US into war. And even if they did, we would've had 4 or more times as many resources to throw at Japan. The entire thing could've been a massive sustained bombing campaign that would've resulted in fewer US casualties in the Pacific theater due to less GI involvement.

*It ain't over. And WW2 was not the beginning. Thousands of years from now, if this conflict ever finds a final resolution, I believe historians will view WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Soviet-Afghanistan, US-Afghanistan, Iraq, and all the countless number of smaller or rarely remembered conflicts as individual chapters of one book about one very long war. ...Well, that is... if anyone is still around to write or read that book. If shit ever gets to the point where it was 70 years ago, then chances are pretty good that there won't be anyone around to give a fuck. And if you lift all the sanctions and embargos on North Korea, what's gonna happen is... like HITLER (wink wink), they're gonna have the economic wherewithal to begin manufacturing an even bigger deadlier military force, which they will eventually USE against the South and then,... who the fuck knows. All we know for sure is that last time the western allies gave an enemy too much leash to run around on, they came back and bit us in the ass.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on August 15, 2017, 09:52:26 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHNwNa9XcAQN4u6.jpg)


:Duhard:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on August 15, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
Haha.

Damn, these people are crazy. It's not just neo nazis, kkk, new black panthers, antifa, and BLM either. It's alt right and the "leftists" too. They're all bat shit crazy to me, and because I have that opinion and label them all crazy I'm racist by comparing them and I'm racist for not speaking up that's proportionate to my privilege.

If you present the argument to me: "This is a statue of a guy that supported slavery, and he particularly wanted to fight to preserve it. Why should my tax dollars go towards the upkeep of it when my ancestors were slaves?" I'd say hell yeah good point. But no one has this discussion. If it has anything to do with the confederacy it's racist, period. Not all the statues depict a dude that I described above. Robert Lee wasn't to my understanding. And do these statues even contribute to racism today? Hell no. It's from all the crazies I mentioned above. But I'M the racist.  :lolsign:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on August 15, 2017, 02:17:26 PM
I'm not a confederacy supporter nor a civil war history buff. Someone sent this to me today though:


By Edward C. Smith
Saturday, August 21, 1999
© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

Let me begin on a personal note. I am a 56-year-old, third-generation, African American Washingtonian who is a graduate of the D.C. public schools and who happens also to be a great admirer of Robert E. Lee's.

Today, Lee, who surrendered his troops to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Court House 134 years ago, is under attack by people -- black and white -- who have incorrectly characterized him as a traitorous, slaveholding racist. He was recently besieged in Richmond by those opposed to having his portrait displayed prominently in a new park.

My first visit to Lee's former home, now Arlington National Cemetery, came when I was 12 years old, and it had a profound and lasting effect on me. Since then I have visited the cemetery hundreds of times searching for grave sites and conducting study tours for the Smithsonian Institution and various other groups interested in learning more about Lee and his family as well as many others buried at Arlington.

Lee's life story is in some ways the story of early America. He was born in 1807 to a loving mother, whom he adored. His relationship with his father, Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee, (who was George Washington's chief of staff during the Revolutionary War) was strained at best. Thus, as he matured in years, Lee adopted Washington (who had died in 1799) as a father figure and patterned his life after him. Two of Lee's ancestors signed the Declaration of Independence, and his wife, Mary Custis, was George Washington's foster great-granddaughter.

Lee was a top-of-the-class graduate of West Point, a Mexican War hero and superintendent of West Point. I can think of no family for which the Union meant as much as it did for his.

But it is important to remember that the 13 colonies that became 13 states reserved for themselves a tremendous amount of political autonomy. In pre-Civil War America, most citizens' first loyalty went to their state and the local community in which they lived. Referring to the United States of America in the singular is a purely post-Civil War phenomenon.

All this should help explain why Lee declined command of the Union forces -- by Abraham Lincoln -- after the firing on Fort Sumter. After much agonizing, he resigned his commission in the Union army and became a Confederate commander, fighting in defense of Virginia, which at the outbreak of the war possessed the largest population of free blacks (more than 60,000) of any Southern state.

Lee never owned a single slave, because he felt that slavery was morally reprehensible. He even opposed secession. (His slaveholding was confined to the period when he managed the estate of his late father-in-law, who had willed eventual freedom for all of his slaves.)

Regarding the institution, it's useful to remember that slavery was not abolished in the nation's capital until April 1862, when the country was in the second year of the war. The final draft of the Emancipation Proclamation was not written until September 1862, to take effect the following Jan. 1, and it was intended to apply only to those slave states that had left the Union.

Lincoln's preeminent ally, Frederick Douglass, was deeply disturbed by these limitations but determined that it was necessary to suppress his disappointment and "take what we can get now and go for the rest later." The "rest" came after the war.

Martin Luther King Jr. was one of the few civil rights leaders who clearly understood that the era of the 1960s was a distant echo of the 1860s, and thus he read deeply into Civil War literature. He came to admire and respect Lee, and to this day, no member of his family, former associate or fellow activist that I know of has protested the fact that in Virginia Dr. King's birthday -- a federal holiday -- is officially celebrated as "Robert E. Lee-Stonewall Jackson-Martin Luther King Day."

Lee is memorialized with a statue in the U.S. Capitol and in stained glass in the Washington Cathedral.

It is indeed ironic that he has long been embraced by the city he fought against and yet has now encountered some degree of rejection in the city he fought for.

In any event, his most fitting memorial is in Lexington, Va.: a living institution where he spent his final five years. There the much-esteemed general metamorphosed into a teacher, becoming the president of small, debt-ridden Washington College, which now stands as the well-endowed Washington and Lee University.

It was in Lexington that he made a most poignant remark a few months before his death. "Before and during the War Between the States I was a Virginian," he said. "After the war I became an American."

I have been teaching college students for 30 years, and learned early in my career that the twin maladies of ignorance and misinformation are not incurable diseases. The antidote for them is simply to make a lifelong commitment to reading widely and deeply. I recommend it for anyone who would make judgment on figures from the past, including Robert E. Lee.

[Dr. Smith is co-director of the Civil War Institute at American University in Washington, D.C.]
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on August 15, 2017, 02:27:13 PM
I have been teaching college students for 30 years, and learned early in my career that the twin maladies of ignorance and misinformation are not incurable diseases. The antidote for them is simply to make a lifelong commitment to reading widely and deeply. I recommend it for anyone who would make judgment on figures from the past, including Robert E. Lee.

Or, you know, if that seems like too much work, just form a mob and behave like savages:

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/897244395635851264


:ohlord:


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on August 15, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
Oh yeah, I saw. I used to live 10 miles from there. I can't help but notice the shoes of the people kicking it. Just something random that stuck out to me thinking aren't these people hurting their tows kicking bronze with hipster shoes?? Haha. No dress/professional shoes, no work/labor boots, and no comfortable tennis shoes just because you work a job that requires walking and standing for an extended duration(similar to protesting). This is the late-millenial/generation Z crowd. :mrdead:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on August 15, 2017, 07:35:25 PM
I thought the same thing, I would of liked to see how that one girl acted a few moments after going on that kicking spree  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on August 17, 2017, 08:36:22 PM
Interesting take on current events from the perspective of a trained hypnotist, accustomed to observing the subtleties of how people are persuaded, and how our minds behave while hallucinating.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble

Quote
How To Know You’re In a Mass Hysteria Bubble

History is full of examples of Mass Hysterias. They happen fairly often. The cool thing about mass hysterias is that you don’t know when you are in one. But sometimes the people who are not experiencing the mass hysteria can recognize when others are experiencing one, if they know what to look for.

I’ll teach you what to look for.

(Continued...) (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on August 18, 2017, 01:59:19 AM
Where is Focalor when the shit hits the fan? LoL?

This confederate statue civil war shit is right up his alley and yet hes vanished. We need to hear the opinion of the Mega-Man!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCaTe5TqLrRkKHpgEI8DJ6x9U5lZjN8GILHXRAQ_qcL-6q8TY-mA)


On a serious note, I happen to agree with trump on this whole shit, oddly enough. People are starting to get ridiculous...

Some newb pastor in chicago wants to remove President Washingtons name from a park now, and people are questioning Thomas jefferson....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/17/chicago-bishop-wants-george-washingtons-name-taken-off-park-in-black-neighborhood.html

"Bishop James Dukes, pastor of the Liberation Christian Center, says it’s no longer appropriate for statues of American presidents who owned slaves to be commemorated in African-American neighborhoods"


I condemn but I hold sacred the right of those KKK / Neo-Nazi individuals to protest and exercise their freedom of speech. The fact that the left came out to confront them is what caused this uproar.

Everyone is losing their minds and being offended by everything. The America that i grew up in, the one that I remember, accepted the Dukes of Hazzard, Sanford and Son, All in the Family, and the Jeffersons etc etc. George Washington was a good man. Thomas Jefferson was a good man. Why are people trying to fuck with them now? People back then owned slaves, it was a way of life, just like people use vehicles even though it emits c02 like a motherfucker. In 100 years are Americans going to want to shit on all of us because we contributed to global warming? What the fuck?

History is History....We used to want to embrace our history, even with its corruption and ugliness because it was a history forged by imperfect men who strived for a better future. I am really starting to question what America i am in at the moment?

What the hell are people wanting? what is the end game? We cannot erase our history or condemn everything.
Man was meant to struggle and endure, both emotionally and physically. We will never be the brady bunch as a society, and neither do i think that that is a good idea. Americans of the past remind me of swords forged through the hottest of flames. Modern America seems like a daycare full of kids tattling on each other.

We need a boss to tell them to stfu and move on...
kids will be kids right? Its in our nature to want to fuck around. But these kids are adults and they are trying to twist reality itself.

Ive already stated i believed the african american community deserves reparations for the slavery they endured. They got fucked for hundreds of years and they are owed something, at the very least free education for life.

Trump is not a bad man, he is merely being political, he needs the right's votes to win a second term. Is he a racist? no. The media and the left are trying to destroy him, but i really believe so far hes been a breath of fresh air.

I would rather have him over Hilary.

I just hope that the violence that erupted isn't something of a prelude to something worse.

People just need to relax.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 18, 2017, 12:06:06 PM
History is History....We used to want to embrace our history, even with its corruption and ugliness because it was a history forged by imperfect men who strived for a better future.

I actually agree with you for once. I've never said that the aims of the Confederacy to uphold and continue slavery was a good thing. But they were different times. NOT A SINGLE ONE of the southern sons that signed up to fight did so because they hated blacks and wanted to keep them below whites. They did so out of a sense of "duty" and a love for their homes and their way of life - the same reasons that tons of people signed up for the military after 9/11.

But I noticed something today while sitting in traffic. It's what I see every day, but I never stop to "think" about it. A row of cars parked in front of a chinese restaurant at lunch time. I'm sitting there on my American-made Harley Davidson at a stop light, and looking over at a long row of parked cars and I thought,... "Fuck. Not a single one of those fucking things were made in America. I'm the only motherfucker here getting around on an American product... and it's the cheapest fucking one here!" (It's a '78, they were cheaper comparatively back then)

Everything these days says "Made in Anywhere But America". That's a problem.

And I don't think it's a curable problem. Trump has promised to bring jobs back to America, and maybe he is, maybe he isn't, I dunno. In the back of my mind, I know it, though... that even if jobs DO start coming back to the US, they'll go back to china and mexico in another 10 years or less. I hate to say it, but I kinda think we've already lost the war. We've sold our childrens futures to foreign commercialism. Many of these companies may be run from America with manufacturing in other countries, but that won't last forever either. Eventually walmart and every other huge US company will be owned by China or Indonesia.

What can we do? Beats the fuck outta me. Enjoy it while you got it.

And these douchebags screaming for historical revisionism are probably gonna get their way eventually. And the end result will be communism. And nobody will fucking care until it's too late.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on August 30, 2017, 07:38:40 PM
Interesting perspective on Arizona's Sheriff Arpaio.

Cites sources for many of his claims, and covers events from angles I haven't seen elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CWeP3pS2HM
https://www.youtube.com/v/6CWeP3pS2HM

(Some might remember this guy from his rather novel humanitarian perspective on the border wall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOOBlcOIcLs), wherein he talked about having volunteered helping poor families down in Mexico, and he noted how unchecked immigration might be benefiting the entrenched corrupt political elite on the Mexican side, by acting as a kind of pressure-relief valve preventing local discontent from boiling over enough to challenge said corruption. From what I can tell, his politics seem more libertarian/humanist than hard right.)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on August 31, 2017, 11:02:12 AM
(http://focalor.tastyspleen.net/forumpics/giamatti.jpg)

Not for nuthin', but... If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure Arapaio was one of the highest ranking and most outspoken legalization/marijuana law reformation proponents back around 06-ish. I kinda think someone wasn't as upset about his supposed "racism" as they were about his efforts to restructure the marijuana market in a Mexican border state riddled with cartel pipelines. As they say, follow the money. And there's a lot more money in dope than in immigration.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 02, 2017, 08:28:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8rWdxbp.jpg)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on September 03, 2017, 03:36:53 AM
 :lolsign:

They'd happily take a chunk out of the work area. Nowadays people want to reside in the college town they moved to and fell in love with being away from their parents. Then they complain there's no work for them and about their student loan debt. They'd never relocate for work even if it was temporary. Then some of them end up dressing like idiots in the cartoon above.

I used "they" loosely, mainly referring to millenials that are heavily left leaning.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 03, 2017, 01:29:55 PM
Banana peel in tree strikes terror throughout University of Mississippi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLS9uSWLCY
https://www.youtube.com/v/ftLS9uSWLCY

(Can we please stop coddling these adult infants?)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on September 03, 2017, 02:38:34 PM
I want to laugh, but I also have this  :WTF: feeling.   

This is just another  :dohdohdoh: that makes me really worry about the future of this country.

This stupid crap is happening at an alarming rate.  It scares me that this will soon become the new normal.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 03, 2017, 05:36:45 PM
Yeah. Fuck kids these days. God damn idiots.

After watching that fucking retarded Banana video, I somehow found myself on this video where college students were in a roundabout way discussing their views on feminism and the military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6t61UzVg_k
https://www.youtube.com/v/K6t61UzVg_k

This is what we've made in our school systems. The girls... I don't fault any of their answers really. You can tell they're mostly caught in their own "equality" vortex and admit defeat when it comes to drafting. The BOYS however... fucking little brainless pussies. They mindlessly regurgitate all the shit they've ever been taught about how women should have equal rights to men, HOWEVER... when it comes to drafting, they know most women wouldn't appreciate a man saying that women should be drafted too because they'd be perceived as *yawn* oppressive dominating males. And in their foolish fumbling attempt to say what they think women want to hear... they say the most sexist chauvinist thing possible. "Women should stay home... and take care of.... y'know... everything." (He was soooooo close to saying "the babies". That's right Dice Clay, don't buy a woman a watch, there's a fucking clock on the stove! Oh!)

Someone shoot these motherfuckers. :frustration: MORE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, PLEASE!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on September 12, 2017, 04:36:48 AM
Irma was caused by manmade climate change. So was Harvey. :dohdohdoh:

I've been seeing tons of videos and articles lately blaming "mega hurricanes" on climate change recently.

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp

I don't see a trend. I know global warming is happening(medieval warming period --> the little ice age --> warming now), and I also support the fact that humans are increasing the rate of our current warming period....but how much? When I see these videos from gore or whoever else from the left stating things like "Irma is the strongest hurricane the Atlantic has ever seen" and "the sea level has risen 9 inches in Florida" I don't understand why they're deliberately trying to discredit themselves. Hurricane Allen from 1980 was stronger and 3 other storms tied Irma at 185 sustained. The sea level hasn't risen like that. It just makes me think they're all full of shit  :LAME:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 12, 2017, 09:40:09 AM
Irma was caused by manmade climate change. So was Harvey. :dohdohdoh:

I've been seeing tons of videos and articles lately blaming "mega hurricanes" on climate change recently.

And ironically, in the same breath, I'm seeing many of these folks accusing others of being "science deniers."

For some actual science, here's a recent report entitled Global Warming and Hurricanes (https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/) from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/

Takeaways from the report:

→ It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity.

→ Anthropogenic warming by the end of the 21st century will likely cause tropical cyclones globally to be more intense on average (by 2 to 11% according to model projections for an IPCC A1B scenario).

→ There are better than even odds that anthropogenic warming over the next century will lead to an increase in the occurrence of very intense tropical cyclone in some basins

→ Anthropogenic warming by the end of the 21st century will likely cause tropical cyclones to have substantially higher rainfall rates than present-day ones, with a model-projected increase of about 10-15% for rainfall rates averaged within about 100 km of the storm center.

→ The terminology here for likelihood statements generally follows the conventions used in the IPCC AR4, i.e., for the assessed likelihood of an outcome or result:
Very Likely: > 90%,
Likely: > 66%
More Likely Than Not (or Better Than Even Odds) > 50%


In other words, percentage increases in intensity, rainfall, and frequency are predicted—to a specified degree of confidence—over the coming decades. But no such changes are yet able to be reliably measured.

So yeah, the folks pointing at hurricanes Harvey and Irma as 'evidence' for the effects of climate change, would appear to be misinformed.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on September 14, 2017, 05:26:07 PM
Don't forget this informative story  :dohdohdoh:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4865902/Jennifer-Lawrence-says-Hurricanes-nature-s-rage-Trump.html
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 15, 2017, 01:55:53 AM
Don't forget this informative story  :dohdohdoh:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4865902/Jennifer-Lawrence-says-Hurricanes-nature-s-rage-Trump.html


That slut will say less with a dick in her mouth. Or a pickaxe through her fuckin head.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 28, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwCO5HWsAE7m4O.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 28, 2017, 02:14:50 PM
Clickturbation.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on September 28, 2017, 03:02:31 PM
I haven't had much time to research or watch any news in general lately, but what do y'all think about the criticism on trump regarding not temporarily suspending the Jones Act?

I'm somewhat familiar with the Jones Act being that the Jones Act and Davis-Bacon are the two most important pieces of legislation that support my livelihood as a union worker in the maritime industry. Democrats typically are more supportive of these sets of laws. Republicans have repeatedly tried to reform the Jones Act(big $$ for certain big businesses, taking away from the middle class) and do away with Davis-Bacon in general(No more unions, everyone goes to Right to Work and gets paid less).

I'm not familiar with presidents temporarily suspending the Jones Act for an emergency(is this a frequent occurrence?), but I can't help but see the irony behind a leftist crowd calling for trump's impeachment over not suspending the Jones Act, lol.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 28, 2017, 07:07:24 PM
I haven't had much time to research or watch any news in general lately, but what do y'all think about the criticism on trump regarding not temporarily suspending the Jones Act?

Hmm, brand new to me. (Hadn't heard of the issue before. But: I'm a software dev. on the west coast.)

This article seems to present some pros and cons:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/jones-act-waiver-puerto-rico-trump/541398/

(Seems like the author is at least trying to be neutral.)

Possibly interesting comment from a self-described resident of Puerto Rico:

Quote
Having lived in Puerto Rico for the last two years this is what I have gathered about arguments around the Jones Act: 1) It makes things slightly more expensive (but the 11% sales tax on everything probably has a bigger impact). 2) It makes Puerto Rico an unpopular port, since a foreign ship stopping in Puerto Rico cannot subsequently stop in the mainland United States. 3) Removing it might drive an increase in Puerto Rico's shipyard capacity. 4) It's a popular whipping boy for the various financial problems in Puerto Rico. I can't see for the life of me how marginal price differences for consumer goods significantly alters the future PR though.


:exqueezeme:


P.S. Speaking only generally, I'd seen a report in the last year or so, covering trade protectionism attempts during the 20th century in some detail, and the counter-intuitive effects that seemed to result.

So, that's given me cause for skepticism on the topic in general.

However, it's not a topic I've followed closely.



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 28, 2017, 07:17:25 PM
Reportedly, an ex-member of Hamas, rebuking the Palestinian authority at the UN. [~90 sec. video]

https://twitter.com/IHWCo/status/913352963183316992

(While I could have done without the added music, it's novel to see someone from that region critical of their organization. I'd imagine the speaker must reside elsewhere now, or be in fear for his life. The reactions of some listeners are fun.)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on September 28, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
AHHHHHH!!!! You're going to actually make me read an article from theatlantic.com ??!?!??!! DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :lolsign:

Maybe I don't get out too much in the e-media-world, but man that's the most left biased website I've ever seen! I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that the author is trying to be unbiased but wow, that'd be a first in my experience with this website. Although I could see themselves sacrificing left views for the sake of bashing Trump(see the irony I mentioned). Alright let me try to read it.

It wasn't terrible. A 10 day waiver seems fine, but I'm still wondering 1) How many times has this been done before and how effective is it? 2) Why the is the left so bent out of shape over trump not suspending an act they know nothing about that is also an act that democrats support? and 3) If it's so important what's the real reason trump hesitated? I still need to be more educated on the matter.

That comment by a "puerto rican" seems a little over the top. I'd like to know his background, profession, and situation. I know plenty of puerto ricans that are grateful for the jones act, but these said people also have to leave Puerto Rico for work.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 29, 2017, 12:34:37 PM
AHHHHHH!!!! You're going to actually make me read an article from theatlantic.com ??!?!??!! DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :lolsign:

Maybe I don't get out too much in the e-media-world, but man that's the most left biased website I've ever seen!

Heh, ok. While I've heard of their site, I'm unfamiliar with their editorial slant. (I picked them out of the search results, 'cause their name sounded "east coast.") :P

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 02, 2017, 04:29:56 AM
What happens in Vegas... will probably be wantonly whored out by the anti-gun lobby to move us another inch closer to a total ban on firearms... but not before the left uses the opportunity to trip over themselves running to put a spotlight on what a shitty President Donald Dumbass is and what a tragedy it is for the whole world that EVERYONE ELSE was stupid enough to vote to elect him instead of the turd waffle or whatever he name was, as if he needed any help looking fucking shitty, stupid and inept.

Can't wait to see how many times he insists on tweeting retarded needless divisive statements.

Dear President Donald Dumbass,

If you should happen to fuck up and come across this post while trying to instant message Vlady Putin, allow me to impart to you this message:

On behalf of the people who did AND did not vote for you (cuz we're ALL sick of you at this point)... STOP POSTING SHIT ON TWITTER, Bitch.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 02, 2017, 08:09:22 AM
You see the video?

It's definitely a fully automatic weapon which is illegal. I hate the gun control debate. Apparently you need to think all guns should be banned, or be a hill billy shooting dual AR-15's off his front porch. We need to figure out an actual way to prevent semi-autos into autos. Other than that ACTUALLY enforce the existing laws.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 02, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
Yeah, sort of briefly. Looked like nothing but terrible butt-dialed cell phone footage, none of the videos that made it to the news outlets I saw showed anything resembling muzzle flashes from the window where the guy was. He kept on shooting A LONG FUCKING TIME too, and people were just standing there looking at him. WTF!?! RUN, YOU DOPES! ::)

They DO enforce the laws. But they didn't always. Used to, you could order kits from overseas to convert your various semiauto rifles into full auto, but they've since made the practice VERY illegal. You might still be able to order the shit and have it shipped to you in the US, but no REPUTABLE retailer is going to do it, it'll have to be some shady character who would probably be just as likely to take your money without ever shipping the merch. And if you DO find someone who is honest enough to not rip you off, then you gotta worry about customs catching it on the way to you.

Anyway,... you wanna know what upsets me the MOST about this whole thing?

This guy has several full automatic rifles and countless preloaded magazines.
He kills almost 60 people.
He wounds a staggering 500+ people!
BUT...

Jason fuckin' Aldean doesn't get a god damn SCRATCH on himself!!! THAT MOTHERFUCKER COULDN'T HAVE AT LEAST TRIED THROWING A COUPLE ROUNDS HIS WAY?!?!  GOD DAMMIT!!!! :frustration:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: QwazyWabbit on October 02, 2017, 04:39:26 PM
You can register for a fully automatic possession license by filling out a form and getting a background check and paying a license fee $200 as I understand it. The license must be renewed annually. It involves physical inspection of your secure storage location by ATF and periodic surprise inspections. You cannot resell.

I've shot a full-auto, suppressed AR-15 and you can expend a 30 round magazine doing short bursts in about 9 seconds. It's also hard to hold down and on target. I got a face full of blowby from the excess chamber pressures due to the suppressor.

 :rocketleft:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 02, 2017, 04:53:25 PM
Again, I say...

2000+ hot rounds of supersonic lead are fired at Jason Aldean... he scampers away unscathed.

A little piece of fat blob... and a truly talented REAL musician like Tom Petty fuckin' dies.

The world is not a fair place. :ohlord:

(Dunno, they still haven't CONFIRMED Tom Petty is dead yet.)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 02, 2017, 06:46:27 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-clinton-blasts-nra-fellow-dems-renew-call-for-gun-control-after-attack.amp.html

I saw her tweet then searched for an article. Boy has she watched a few too many Bond movies lmao. Like the article states, a suppressor only does so much. And I'm actually really unfamiliar with how well they work on an ar15. M16's had flash suppressors. Plus a suppressor for an AR would likely not hold up too well at auto.

Also, to my knowledge fully auto is straight illegal POST-1986. You can't modify shit to be auto and it be legal. The permit you speak of is for pre-1986 weapons so you can own your old as dirt thompson machine gun(exaggeration, I know).

I just wish there could be something done at the manufacturer to hinder turning this shit to auto. I'm sure there is.

Petty's dead. Now he's free...




















Free Fallin'.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 02, 2017, 06:52:56 PM
In all seriousness, RIP Tom Petty. Great musician.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 03, 2017, 02:27:57 AM
I just wish there could be something done at the manufacturer to hinder turning this shit to auto. I'm sure there is.

That's the thing, they ALREADY do this. A novice garage fabricator won't be able to make the necessary parts or modify existing ones to convert the firing mechanism and upper receiver to something capable of firing the weapon like a machinegun. With some older AK format rifles, it was a simple process of removing the firing pin and filing off the catch portion that prevents the pin from repeatedly slapping forward. You can't do that with AR platform rifles. You have to completely replace pieces of the upper and lower receiver to not only mod the weapon to be full auto, but also to be able to safely operate under those MUCH higher temps and pressures. In most cases, you'd probably want to replace and upgrade the barrel as well. Some cheap off-the-shelf AR platform rifle bought at a local walmart is probably not high quality enough fire 30 rounds in 8 seconds and still keep the grooves in the barrel from melting and deforming. :D

Thing is... yeah, we can go ahead and ban ALL firearms. We can have everyone turn in their guns, even the criminals, and NO ONE can have guns anymore. It won't stop crazy people from doing crazy shit. People will make bombs. People will drive cars and trucks into large crowds of people. People will use poisons, chemicals, or biological weapons.

It doesn't matter what side of the gun control issue you're on, answer this question for yourself:
If for some reason YOU really really really wanted something, would one or two minor obstacles completely prevent a determined goal oriented person like you from achieving success and obtaining your goal? Nah, probably not. You're gonna go out and GET that shit. That thing belongs to you already, it just doesn't know it yet.

Now... let's say you were angry or mentally disturbed enough for that THING you wanted to be "the death of someone or lots of someones" and the obstacle was "gun control". Because even crazy and angry people are goal oriented go-getters.

As I've said before in another thread about North Korea, this planet operates on prison rules. Certain people will always do shit with little regard for ethics and morality because they CAN and nothing real and physical prevents them from doing it.

And besides all that... It isn't FAIR that a handful of crazies can do crazy shit with THEIR guns and it might eventually mean that the gov't will want to ban MY guns and punish ME for something I had no part in or control over. So... yeah, fuck you, gun control advocates. Suck my titties.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: bluemeanies on October 03, 2017, 07:26:28 AM
Supposedly this shit bag used a bump stock. There were two found in the room with his arsenal. Let's you shoot 400-800 rounds per minute. Accuracy not needed with what he was doing and legal to purchase...for now. Trigger crank or gat crank lets you do the same thing. I hadn't ever heard of those devices until now.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 03, 2017, 08:04:21 AM
I just wish there could be something done at the manufacturer to hinder turning this shit to auto. I'm sure there is.

That's the thing, they ALREADY do this. A novice garage fabricator won't be able to make the necessary parts or modify existing ones to convert the firing mechanism and upper receiver to something capable of firing the weapon like a machinegun. With some older AK format rifles, it was a simple process of removing the firing pin and filing off the catch portion that prevents the pin from repeatedly slapping forward. You can't do that with AR platform rifles. You have to completely replace pieces of the upper and lower receiver to not only mod the weapon to be full auto, but also to be able to safely operate under those MUCH higher temps and pressures. In most cases, you'd probably want to replace and upgrade the barrel as well. Some cheap off-the-shelf AR platform rifle bought at a local walmart is probably not high quality enough fire 30 rounds in 8 seconds and still keep the grooves in the barrel from melting and deforming. :D

Thing is... yeah, we can go ahead and ban ALL firearms. We can have everyone turn in their guns, even the criminals, and NO ONE can have guns anymore. It won't stop crazy people from doing crazy shit. People will make bombs. People will drive cars and trucks into large crowds of people. People will use poisons, chemicals, or biological weapons.

It doesn't matter what side of the gun control issue you're on, answer this question for yourself:
If for some reason YOU really really really wanted something, would one or two minor obstacles completely prevent a determined goal oriented person like you from achieving success and obtaining your goal? Nah, probably not. You're gonna go out and GET that shit. That thing belongs to you already, it just doesn't know it yet.

Now... let's say you were angry or mentally disturbed enough for that THING you wanted to be "the death of someone or lots of someones" and the obstacle was "gun control". Because even crazy and angry people are goal oriented go-getters.

As I've said before in another thread about North Korea, this planet operates on prison rules. Certain people will always do shit with little regard for ethics and morality because they CAN and nothing real and physical prevents them from doing it.

And besides all that... It isn't FAIR that a handful of crazies can do crazy shit with THEIR guns and it might eventually mean that the gov't will want to ban MY guns and punish ME for something I had no part in or control over. So... yeah, fuck you, gun control advocates. Suck my titties.

I wasn't aware of the specifics that were already in place, but did know there was something in place. Something additional, I don't know. Regarding the high temperatures and melting, yes, that's why I laughed at Hillary's tweet with just slapping a "silencer" on.

Bluemeanies: I saw/heard that also, but I also heard that he had 10 modified auto weapons as well. I'm waiting for something more definitive to be released. The video sounds auto to me.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on October 03, 2017, 06:41:56 PM
 :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 04, 2017, 04:44:21 AM
Yeah, well a gat crank is gonna sound full auto because it makes your semiauto weapon fire at a rate similar to a full auto. Models vary from weapon to weapon, but basically it attaches to your trigger and trigger guard ring in two interlocking pieces. A small crank handle hangs out of the right side and as you turn it, there is gear that either directly contacts and depresses the trigger, or there is another spring loaded lever that strikes the trigger as the cog turns. Kinda like a gatling gun, thus the name gat crank.

These things started getting very popular a couple of years ago through youtube demo videos people were posting. I knew then when I saw it that it was just a matter of time before someone used one for NON fun purposes. ::)

The only way to kill lots of people with one would be in a situation like what just happened. To operate it, you're really only holding the weapon with one hand. Not only is that EXTREMELY dangerous for the operator and anyone nearby, but it makes it very inaccurate, aka spray-n-pray.

You can attach one to virtually ANY semi automatic firearm, including an automatic shotgun. But as I said before, it's very dangerous, and you gotta be a little crazy to attempt using it. There's no guarantee that your rifle or shotguns chamber or barrel won't explode and blow your face off.

So if you want one... better get one now. The damn things WILL be outlawed very soon. If any brick and mortar retailers carry them, they might have already pulled them off the shelves just to protect themselves and their company image... which is exactly what Kmart did after Columbine. You used to be able to buy a pistol at stores like Kmart. Not anymore, not after they got blasted for being the retailer that sold the guns used in the shooting.

Not that banning them will stop anyone from having them. With 3D printers these days, you could make one yourself. With a few parts from a local hardware store, any idiot could make a crudely designed one.

I'm obviously firmly against a total firearm ban. I'm an NRA member myself. Gun rights is an important issue to me. But I do consider myself not only a moderate, but a REALIST. There is NO LEGITIMATE PURPOSE for a gat crank. It's fun, sure. But it's dangerous as fuck. I'm totally okay with them wanting to ban them. In fact I was HOPING they would when I first saw them a few years ago. Sucks that it took something like THIS to draw attention to it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 12, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Interesting, non-sensationalized collection of conflicting accounts of what transpired the night of the Vegas shooting. Including a number of witness accounts and corresponding police radio chatter, indicating automatic weapons fire at other hotels at different times during that evening. Strange. (Certainly one expects a lot of confusion during an event like this. But still. Some of the reports from other hotels were quite a distance away. Not sure what to make of it.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3y8924sKZI
https://www.youtube.com/v/f3y8924sKZI


:exqueezeme:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on October 13, 2017, 08:23:39 AM
i'd love to watch 45 minutes of this and find out some more answers but i can't. i got money to make. paltry dollars for my meager existence, always on the journey yearning for a greater one.

my girlfriend (if you can believe that) said she don't believe in any conspiracies. so if this rational guy in this video and fellow skeptics like quadz believe there might be something to this, then she MIGHT be able to crack open her mind and have something put in it.she hates me so much, she wants to to upload photoshopped dildo onto my pics to show you guys lol. since she knows you all hate me lol

P.S. where the fuck is everyone on tuesday nights on Ra2? (i subscribed to tastycast on twitch)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 14, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
so if this rational guy in this video and fellow skeptics like quadz believe there might be something to this

  (https://i.imgflip.com/wfc0i.jpg)


I anticipate the most banal interpretations of events are frequently correct.

I don't see a logical problem with the massacre being plotted and carried out by a single individual.

But I'd also like explanations for some of the footage from other locations which seem to capture hotels on lockdown a mile away, whose patrons express the belief that the news should be instead reporting on shots fired at their own location.

Since it would seem no-one was injured at these other locations, one wonders what spurred the panic (and the reported hearing of nearby automatic rifle fire.) If there are no bullet impacts to be found, did someone drive by playing machinegun fire on a loudspeaker?

Again, I dunno. Could be some sort of opportunistic prank (happening an hour after the actual shooting.) Beats me.

:huh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 16, 2017, 05:52:48 AM
Alex Jones is a government tool to spread the virus of stupidity and get shitheads like Donald Trump elected.

Is that a conspiracy theory you can get down with?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 16, 2017, 11:41:39 AM
Alex Jones is a government tool to spread the virus of stupidity and get shitheads like Donald Trump elected.

Is that a conspiracy theory you can get down with?

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/400x/67939245/chemicals-in-the-water-turning-the-goddam-frogs-gay.jpg)

If we subtract out any hypothetical deep state involvement, would we expect his show to be any different?


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 16, 2017, 01:38:38 PM
I was actually talking to jaquilol.

I just think far too many people take Alex Jones seriously. At this point, his career DEPENDS on idiots taking him seriously. And I for one think he truly believes only 1% of his own bullshit is the actual truth, and the other 99%, much like a megachurch TV preacher (like that ever-smilin' Joel Osteen), is telling the idiots exactly what they want to hear to keep them throwing dollar bills at him. *SMILING*"God loves everyone" *SMILING* "God has a plan for your life" *SMILING* "God says stone the homose... let's ignore that part." *SMILING*

Have you ever heard someone interview Joel Osteen and ask him uncomfortable non-predetermined questions. He reminds me of Jack Lemmon as that slick sleazeball salesman in Glengarry Glen Ross. Am I right? Every word out of his mouth and every expression on his face is another attempt to mindfuck you. And you see it so clear, and you hate him so deeply for it, and you wonder how everyone else can be so stupid that they CAN'T see exactly what you see in him.

Anyway, yeah, Alex Jones is as big of a piece of shit as Joel Osteen.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on October 21, 2017, 02:40:07 PM
Scott Adams tweeted (https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/921697696489996295), in reference to the following video:

"This captures the hypnotist's worldview: Humans only IMAGINE they use facts and reason to make decisions."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctz_dHfYfb8
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ctz_dHfYfb8


:dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 03, 2017, 08:44:55 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNmckSjW0AEdWk7.jpg)

Mmmmmm. Consistency! (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr7FzEgWEAAD6p6.jpg)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 03, 2017, 09:15:54 AM
Dear goat fucking child molesting shit colored Muslims,

I'm sorry for being white. I'm sorry that you are too stupid to know what a Nazi is. It's a shame too. Since both of you hate jews so much, you'd probably get along great.

PS. had YOU PEOPLE not been so Nazi-like and started genociding the Armenians in the early 1900's, the Armenians wouldn't have had to flee to America, and the entire world would probably be Kardashian-less right now. Thanks for that, assholes. Your turn to apologize, shitheads.

So... Jews, Armenians, now white Americans... and we're the assholes? Fuck you very much please.

(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff10/groundmeat2/hi-jack-im-jack-well-if-you-say-so-just-28456802_zpsvkrqr9i1.png)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 05, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNyxsbcVwAAjHww.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 05, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
WTF? I don't see that on her twitter. Is that just a joke or what?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 05, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
WTF? I don't see that on her twitter. Is that just a joke or what?

Haha, yeah, it's referencing Kevin Spacey's post from last week, which produced some finger-wagging that he'd chosen his moment to "come out" in a way that might deflect/distract from the allegations of sexual impropriety (propositioning a minor) that he was addressing:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/30/04/45D2E65000000578-5030357-image-a-85_1509337043100.jpg)

So the Hillary post gag echoes the same formula with regard to Donna Brazile's recent tell-all about the rigging of the DNC primary.

:dohdohdoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 05, 2017, 03:53:38 PM
I  :lolsign: at the Hillary post.  :bananaw00t:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 05, 2017, 10:42:29 PM
Kaiser Soze is a queer!?! OH MY GOD, PLOT TWIST!

Alright, John Travolta, your turn. Go ahead.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 05, 2017, 11:36:23 PM
Well dang. I had not been aware of the whole slew of allegations that have been piling up against Spacey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc08DHydV5E
https://www.youtube.com/v/Xc08DHydV5E

D'oh!

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 06, 2017, 12:14:01 AM
Since we're "picking" on celebs...

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9b/cb/ec/9bcbec66df72fbd4a9def0370c6a174c--jennifer-lopez-jennifer-oneill.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 06, 2017, 07:13:18 PM
Interview with the man who pursued the shooter at the Sutherland Springs, TX Baptist church:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4HEchh0XD8
https://www.youtube.com/v/B4HEchh0XD8

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 11, 2017, 11:52:39 PM
Meanwhile in Russia...

(http://asset-6.soupcdn.com/asset/7225/9993_6f09.gif)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/6eeaaa1d1dfee3a3ca7c82c90e4f8a29/tumblr_inline_n4z1suD5f81rft6m6.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 19, 2017, 05:25:09 PM
Sometimes it's seeming these postmodern P.C. cultists have so infested university staff and faculty positions, they might actually collapse Western civilization in another few generations.

This is a recording of a teacher's assistant being censured by faculty for merely having attempted to present in her classroom a Jordan Peterson debate video (which concerned the problem of Canadian Bill C-16, which mandates the use of made-up gender pronouns) — a debate already publicly broadcast on TV, presented by the T.A. to the class in a neutral manner, to spur debate in what was ostensibly a CRITICAL THINKING class.

Listening to the faculty "politely" condescend to the T.A. while regurgitating their Newspeak buzzwords, meanwhile denying her any info. about the details of her accusations, reminded me of parts of Kafka's The Trial and 1984.

https://globalnews.ca/video/3867811/extended-excerpts-from-secretly-recorded-meeting-between-wilfrid-laurier-university-grad-student-and-faculty

(P.S. there's one part where it's claimed Peterson had doxxed some of his students. Definite 'citation needed' there; I'm familiar enough with Peterson to doubt that claim without evidence. [Edit: It would seem Peterson merely linked to a couple students' Facebook pages.])

:ugly_08:


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 20, 2017, 03:41:32 AM
Might wanna move to the south, Quadz. Down here, we may have assholes wanting to ban abortions because it makes Jesus cry, but we still have the liberty to disapprove of homo's and commies if we want to.

(For at least a couple more months, anyway.)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: ImperiusDamian on November 24, 2017, 08:03:07 AM
Might wanna move to the south, Quadz. Down here, we may have assholes wanting to ban abortions because it makes Jesus cry, but we still have the liberty to disapprove of homo's and commies if we want to.

(For at least a couple more months, anyway.)

We also have people who want to force-convert or lynch my ass because I'm not Christian, though. (Ran into one or two in the last year.)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 01, 2017, 07:18:21 PM
"Cultural appropriation: DEEP HURTING"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_YKa5DWq5A
https://www.youtube.com/v/g_YKa5DWq5A


:dohdohdoh:


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 02, 2017, 06:32:39 AM
Just another example of the growing PC culture that is out of control  :raincloud:
 :dohdohdoh: :dohdohdoh: 100 percent  :dohdohdoh: :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 02, 2017, 06:30:56 PM
"You're not marginali- oh hold on, the Redskins game is starting."  :D


Sooooo....... a gaggle of cunts got together in a youtube video to bitch about something. Riddle me this: WHEN ISN'T A WOMAN BITCHING ABOUT OR UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING? Same shit, different day. Show me one woman who isn't over emotional, and I'll show you a woman that you just haven't known long enough yet.

To any women reading this... wanna suck my cock now? :-*

I'm seriously SO fucking tired of seeing this kind of shit. I've never seen it live and in my face. But I've seen it so many fucking times on the internet from so many whiney little fucking douchebag homos that I swear to god, the first time someone tries playing the PC douchebag card on me, I'm gonna kick the ever loving shit out of them right then and there no matter where we are or who's watching.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on December 06, 2017, 07:19:46 PM
What do y'all think about trump's announcement today about Jerusalem?

First, if you don't think that Jerusalem is the historic city of Israel and the Jews then you're one of those guys and we'll immediately disagree. Mainly I'm asking the question concerning how we feel about it as Americans even if it's reality. Meaning, did trump cross the line by pissing off all the Jew hating muslims to the extent where he's putting Israel before America?

Also, do we even care what that category of muslims that are ass backwards with everything even think? Trump clearly doesn't, lol. And I really don't either.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/06/middleeast/jerusalem-israel-us-intl/index.html

I got this from a comment from a Ben Shapiro video:

1992: Bill Clinton vows to move the embassy.

1995: Congress approves the relocation of the embassy by the year 1999.

2000: George W. Bush bashed Clinton for failing to move the embassy and promises to do so.

2008: Barack Obama emphasized Bush’s failure to move the embassy and says he will do it with the following statement, “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.”

2017: Trump fulfills another campaign promise announces U.S. embassy is moving to Jerusalem and now some are making it out like it’s the worst decision ever.

I didn't fact check it, but I recall half of these myself.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 07, 2017, 04:20:34 AM
1995: Congress approves the relocation of the embassy by the year 1999.

Some of the people who were in congress then and voted for the relocation are some of the same people crying about the move now  :frustration:

Would these same people act this way if Barack was doing this  :?:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 08, 2018, 08:02:05 PM
Oprah/Ellen 2020  :righteous:

:Duhard:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 09, 2018, 05:47:43 AM
Sadly, Millions would be all over that  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 09, 2018, 07:29:33 AM
I'd rather watch the new episodes of Roseanne while giving myself a paper cut in my peepee hole than live in that world.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 14, 2018, 07:07:13 PM
Chelsea Manning confirms US Senate run  :WTF:
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2018/01/14/chelsea_manning_conf.html

After my initial  :WTF: I thought isn't he/she/it in jail, but then I read the story where President Barack Obama granted Manning clemency before leaving office last year.  :raincloud:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 14, 2018, 07:10:48 PM
Amazon's Bezos to give $33M for 1,000 Dreamer scholarships
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/bezos-dreamers-scholarships-337924

I'm sure there are 1,000 very deserving legal US residents who could really use a scholarship like this.  :raincloud:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 14, 2018, 10:14:45 PM
Re: #ShitholeGate

Was the President inadvertently correct, according to this 2012 study?

http://riceinstitute.org/blog/new-maps-which-country-has-the-most-open-defecation-in-the-world/

(http://riceinstitute.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Open-Defecation-in-the-World-national-2012.jpg)

:yuck: :nana:

(I mean, I'm sorta kidding. But it appears one could make the literal case.)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 15, 2018, 01:46:58 AM
Slightly more seriously, what I think Trump is proposing, is a merit-based system where individuals—the 'best and brightest'—would be welcome from any country (notwithstanding countries where immigration is banned for security reasons.)

I could be wrong, and perhaps Trump really meant "no people at all from 'shithole' countries." But, based on policies he's been advocating (a point-based system like those used by Australia and Canada) I doubt he is advocating blocking qualified applicants from poorer countries under that system.

I guess we'll see how it plays out.

:exqueezeme:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 15, 2018, 02:47:48 AM
I saw the clip of Anderson Cooper crying, and I saw a compilation of how many times shithole had been said in 2 days on national news. Other than that I haven't watched any media coverage on it really, but I've seen the headlines and I can't believe how much outrage it's caused. The same proud and strong  Haitians Cooper was crying and referring to shouldn't agree with him. It's because unlike him, I assume they're normal people like us. If an earthquake then two cat 4-ish hurricanes demolished my vulnerable-to-stuff-like-that-already country and my government sucked, I'd say "This place is a shithole" :dohdohdoh:

This isn't the case 100% of the time, but I'd like to think that a lot of people who leave their country to come to America ARE the smarter ones. I mean they were at least sharp enough to leave their shithole country ;)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 15, 2018, 06:18:20 AM
Slightly more seriously, what I think Trump is proposing, is a merit-based system where individuals—the 'best and brightest'—would be welcome from any country (notwithstanding countries where immigration is banned for security reasons.)

I could be wrong, and perhaps Trump really meant "no people at all from 'shithole' countries." But, based on policies he's been advocating (a point-based system like those used by Australia and Canada) I doubt he is advocating blocking qualified applicants from poorer countries under that system.

I think Trump is looking for people to come to this country who can immediately make meaningful contributions (science, technology, business, etc).  I think Trump is against bringing people to the US who will require federal/state assistance from day one.  If someone can be an asset to the US, it really does not matter where they are coming from.  Trump says things in a blunt and unpolished way.  If what is said above is correct, Trump has not communicated that very well, as usual.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 15, 2018, 07:30:43 AM
Or maybe... hear me out here... maybe he really IS a rich white somewhat-racist asshole who lives in a bubble of other rich white somewhat-racist assholes and he's only slightly aware of the fact that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily view things with the same rich white somewhat-racist asshole tinted glasses that he and his tend to wear. And I say he's "slightly aware" of it, but note that I do not say that he "cares" how he is perceived. The last time he gave a fuck about how people perceived him was when he OBVIOUSLY paid the assholes at 20/20 to do a whole hour long episode dedicated to making him look good before the election. My hardline immovable Republican parents ate that shit up like Sasha Grey choking on a fat veiny pulsating cock.  :ohlord: Talking to them after it aired, I'm thinking, "How did you get to be this fucking gullible?"

At this point, I don't even give a shit if he finds a way to wipe the national debt down to 0 and get rid of Kim Jong Un without thousands of lives being sacrificed on either side to do it. I just want 2020 to hurry the fuck up and get here and so we can get this annoying motherfucker the fuck OUT of here where we won't have to listen to his ignorant fucking bullshit anymore.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: SlobbOnMyCob on January 17, 2018, 01:13:19 PM
I fucking hate politics... politicians do what's popular, not what's right.
They act like celebrities, focused on the short-term outcomes for re-elections.

In my PERSONAL opinion, this is why businesses have so much say and influence over Washington. Politicians wanting to show voters their policies create jobs will often give huge tax-payer give gifts to these companies as a quid pro quo to create jobs....

I don't think there's an easy, one size fits all solution to any of this that doesn't involve hard economic times.
I don't believe in a world without government but I also don't believe in the world we live in.

As a side note, my personal favorite this last election was Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 17, 2018, 06:59:27 PM
CNN’s Sanjay Gupta roasted for stating Trump has heart disease after White House doctor gives clean bill of health
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/01/17/cnn-s-sanjay-gupta-roasted-for-stating-trump-has-heart-disease-after-white-house-doctor-gives-clean-bill-health.html

I knew some news outlet would have something negative to say about Trump's health.  After all, they spent 50 minutes questioning his doctor after the doctor said Trump was healthy.  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 17, 2018, 11:28:40 PM
Interesting/amusing interview yesterday on UK television. The lady seems determined to interpret Dr. Peterson's remarks in the least charitable way possible. (This version is condensed down from the original 30 minutes.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxhT6x37uL0
https://www.youtube.com/v/jxhT6x37uL0


:dohdohdoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 18, 2018, 04:14:37 AM
I don't see this really happening but it would be interesting.

New California' movement seeks to divide the Golden State in half
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/17/new-california-movement-seeks-to-divide-golden-state-in-half.html
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 18, 2018, 09:06:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxhT6x37uL0

This video contains rubber chickens from Channel 4 News (ITN) CMS, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 18, 2018, 09:51:49 AM
This video contains rubber chickens from Channel 4 News (ITN) CMS, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

Lame. It was a quality edit, condensed it down to being fast-paced without distorting the points being made.

Oh well, here's the original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
https://www.youtube.com/v/aMcjxSThD54


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 18, 2018, 11:46:39 AM
:D That is just embarrassing. The one phrase she repeats too many times to count is "So what you're saying is..." as if he's somehow coding what he's saying and it's necessary for her to decrypt his words so that the peabrained viewer can understand what's being said. I've never heard of this guy before, so clearly I have no favoritism for him, and I was never once unclear about any points he made. On the other hand, I got the clear impression that she was trying her damnedest to make him sound like a sexist insane shithead.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 18, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
The one phrase she repeats too many times to count is "So what you're saying is..."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT3Nei-WsAA8Ymu.jpg)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 22, 2018, 09:15:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7PtdnXcAAEqiL.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 22, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
Unless you're a vegan. Then you're so full of yourself that you can't possibly be hungry.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 22, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
Tide pods are actually not half bad with some Tabasco.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 22, 2018, 04:50:51 PM
On a side note fortunately there's been no discussion about the government shutdown.  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 22, 2018, 06:47:29 PM
 :evilgrin: I go back tomorrow.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 22, 2018, 07:11:28 PM
I'm back in brevard soon, feb 1st.

As for the shutdown I just thought the discussion was beneath us. The media even had a countdown like a meteor is about to hit or something. I can sympathize with some of the right's points but McConnell knew the vote wasn't going to pass by a long shot yet he proposed it fruitlessly. All the while the media is reporting a finger pointing blame game: trump's fault, republicans fault, or democrats fault. People buy these separate narratives hook line and sinker and take passionate stances on it.  :eek:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 22, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
I found all the finger pointing stupid.  Everyone in DC has at least partial blame.
I understand that the Dems want to get DACA worked on, but shutting down the Government over illegals was not a smart move IMO.

Post something when you get down here, maybe we can actually meet up this time.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 22, 2018, 08:25:38 PM
The government isn't "shut down". We're still paying taxes and they're still there to collect them with a smile. All is well, friends!
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 23, 2018, 02:18:44 PM
The purple-haired "Communist Utopia" girl* looks young. Wonder if that level of indoctrination is coming from parents, teachers, or tumblr at that age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mds0UsiAuCk
https://www.youtube.com/v/mds0UsiAuCk

(*) I assumed female, though not 100% sure.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 23, 2018, 04:14:17 PM
I work for the Government.

When I was playing Q2, I felt obligated to give free frags to american players since all you guys support me.

When I gave free frags to foreign players, I considered that foreign aid.

If I did not feel this way, I may have never been fragged  :biggungrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 23, 2018, 05:55:22 PM
The purple-haired "Communist Utopia" girl* looks young. Wonder if that level of indoctrination is coming from parents, teachers, or tumblr at that age.

Yeah, and what concerns me most about this type of empty-headed directionless slogan chanting "protesting" is that... I view all those people as brainless twerps with nothing better to do than complain about shit that they either don't understand or it doesn't effect them. And it's pretty clear that if they don't already, at some point it will become commonplace for the government to consider ALL protests as equally brainless and idiotic and worthless as this one. So if the day comes when a group of people with a firm platform and a firm grasp of the issue they are upset about attempts to protest, they're gonna get completely ignored and shrugged off as being just another gaggle of wannabe-hippy idiots with cardboard signs.

And what have I always said? The one thing government recognizes and respects is VIOLENCE. Eventually little meaningless "protests" like this won't happen anymore because it'll begin to be the new normal to simply riot and tear shit up and beat the shit out of people for your message.

On one hand, I'd like to beat the fuck out of a long list of people. On the other hand, maybe I'm on some other peoples shit lists too, and I'd much rather just live in peace and be left the fuck alone.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: yahoo on January 23, 2018, 06:01:43 PM

(*) I assumed female, though not 100% sure.
no way
must be one of those "pretentious nothing better to do guy " mingling in a hope to meet some girls coz they think he is cool and sympathetic
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 24, 2018, 04:12:49 AM
The government isn't "shut down". We're still paying taxes and they're still there to collect them with a smile. All is well, friends!

Yes. that's why I made the meteor countdown comment. I think around 8-12% of the government actually gets "shut down" during these stunts on average. But some see it first hand and it's an annoyance. In my hometown the ORV accesses to the beach get barricaded every time among other things on national seashore. So I guess the Dept of interior is affected. Whatever job IOU does was affected to some degree if I interpreted his post right. In my line of work being contracted by the federal government we were not affected.

So yeah, 90% of the population didn't notice a difference.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 29, 2018, 06:23:16 PM
More PC Crap  :raincloud:

http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/sports/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2018/01/29/mlb-cleveland-indians-logo-to-be-retired-in-2019.html

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22256540/group-calls-washington-redskins-follow-cleveland-indians-lead
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 30, 2018, 02:41:00 AM
Dear sir and/or ma'am, or whomever might identify as a non-binary gender unspecific race of anthropomorphic objects of various origins and designs (not to say that design is inherent, as all religions and philosophies are viable and welcome in a safe space of progressive society... motherfuckers... such as ourselves. Not to say that fucking one's mother is acceptable. And not to say that it isn't acceptible in certain non-mainstream cultures located in isolated places in the rainforest)

I for one am personally appalled that we still refer to African Americans as "negroes" and I think if they had any conscience and decency at all, they would change the name of the United Negro College Fund to the United (As Long As It Is Consensual And Collectively Agreed Upon) Non-Specific Racial Identity Insofar As It Isn't White (spit, BAH! white is BAD!) College Fund (As Long As It Isn't Considered A Microaggression And Designed To Keep Non-Whites In Perpetual Under-Privileged Poverty).

Just Kidding. WHITE POWER!

Sincerely,
White Male Privilege
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 30, 2018, 01:44:03 PM
All the hubbub over race seems so 'provincial' on evolutionary time scales.

But, the memes are fun.

(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/betty-white-power.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 31, 2018, 03:42:36 AM
The media is roasting trump for his state of the union address.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/551927/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 31, 2018, 05:17:57 AM
Not surprising.

Trump's toxic relationship with the majority of the press, lends itself to a negative story whatever he had said.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on January 31, 2018, 12:13:47 PM
havn't been around. got work like an animal  to make a living.  not into reading long diatribes unless it involves certain subjects, like whooping ass on the Ra2 servers lol
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 31, 2018, 07:55:35 PM
Trump bent the truth probably a few times during his State of the union but who hasn't? Lol. One I noticed is the making 2.4 million jobs thing when he's counting when he was president elect and when Obama was still in office. The same period before that Obama "made" 2.7 million jobs. Of course you can compare and contrast the jobs that were made, but right now the media is taking the stance that the president has no influence over job creation. I just wish they would have notified us of this when Obama was in office ;) :dohdohdoh:

Reading this crap and seeing how much scrutiny and bias he's under opposed to other presidents is ridiculous. The media's narrative is having a reverse effect on people like me.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on January 31, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/democrats-paid-a-huge-price-for-letting-unions-die.html

Democrats think they're so smart.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 01, 2018, 11:59:16 AM
"Spite of the Union: A Rant"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA0rnucyLeE
https://www.youtube.com/v/RA0rnucyLeE

;)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 01, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
I heard at least one person comment on Pelosi's tongue swabbing her gums saying "This is what happens when you get old and get your Polident and Preparation H mixed up."
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 01, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
I heard at least one person comment on Pelosi's tongue swabbing her gums saying "This is what happens when you get old and get your Polident and Preparation H mixed up."

That sums it up pretty well  :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 01, 2018, 10:38:55 PM
saw an amusing quote fly by on twitter:

"progressivism is the fear that someone somewhere is making America look good"

(i laughed, but honestly…)

:dohdohdoh:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 02, 2018, 07:49:07 PM
Since the phrase Shithole countries was offensive, these countries should now be referred to as Turd-World countries  :evilgrin:

I think this change of words makes the statement much more PC.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on February 03, 2018, 12:53:20 AM
Since the phrase Shithole countries was offensive,

I dunno. I refer to the US as a shithole country all the time. Honestly, I don't know why all these fucking immigrants wanna come here. It kinda sucks. Generally speaking, the statistical average experience of the regular middle class nobody will be one of a slow, steady, methodical decline where quality of life and achievement of "the American dream" is concerned. Maybe it ain't PC to say that illegal immigrants are fucking stupid, but... if they actually were smart, the US would only be a temporary stop on their way to Canada or somewhere better. I still live here just outta habit, really. All my shits here and moving is such a pain in the ass.

"If you don't like it here, you should get the fuck out, Rosie O'Dumbass!"

...is commentary that kinda misses the point I just made. Truthfully... look our fucking murder rates all over the country. And look at the murder rates in these "non-shithole" places that YOU KNOW WHO was referring to. Numbers don't lie. Wouldn't it be nice NOT to get stabbed to death by an asshole who wants to steal your smartphone?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 03, 2018, 06:25:02 AM
"If you don't like it here, you should get the fuck out, Rosie O'Dumbass!"

I'm still waiting for all of those people who said they would leave if Trump got elected to GTFO.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 06, 2018, 07:16:46 PM
SpaceX Falcon Heavy launch today.
A little long, but pretty cool stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB_nEtZxPog
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 23, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/V510emA.jpg)

Well-crafted exposition on the state of free speech in the UK, after a Scottish youtuber is arrested and convicted in court for causing "gross offence", for posting a video in which a dog (above) reacts to phrases like "seig heil" and "gas the jews." (Note: In the original video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_QlnY8Ggg), it's explicitly stated by the youtuber that he's seeking to annoy his girlfriend by turning her dog into "the least cute thing" he could think of, "a Nazi." The prosecution claimed context didn't matter. The judge agreed.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
https://www.youtube.com/v/ti2bVS40cz0


Mirror of the original "grossly offensive" video with the "Nazi pug": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_QlnY8Ggg

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on March 25, 2018, 02:54:58 PM
thought crimes.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 26, 2018, 04:29:17 AM
Joke or not, it'll still get you a mute on DM when certain admins are on the rag.  :-*
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 26, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY_41VOUMAAjvqD.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 26, 2018, 12:56:56 PM
Lol I've seen that one a few times now. But, but they're first amendment rights are being infringed!!  :lolsign:

I was astounded by their interview with Bill Maher. Holy mackerel. These kids are making it so easy for Fox news. A less organized movement with less leadership than occupy wallstreet. With less goals and more extreme ideologies. And the left media is supporting them  :mrdead:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on March 26, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
Of course. Because if you don't support them and you don't speak out SAYING you support them, then the one and only alternative is that you support mass murder. Right? There is no moderate thinking man's stance on anything anymore, just emotionally-driven reactionary black or white polar extremism.

Saw some shit on the news tonight about how rapper Killer Mike issued a facebook apology for how the NRA used an interview they did with him on the same day as these high school gun protests.

What a fucking pussy!

First of all... anyone else find it humorous that someone nicknamed "KILLER Mike" is both supporting the NRA... as well as the teen anti-gun/anti-violence rallies? But what makes me call him a raging oozing flappy-lipped 70's bush with a jeri curl complete pussy is the fact that he obviously felt deep personal convictions for gun rights, thus agreeing to do the NRA interview... but he's such a wishy-washy pussy that he doesn't want to lose his precious popularity by being questioned as to whether or not he supports the flavor of the month cause.

And I know Killer Mike is a big name well known music celebrity. But it's probably a bad choice for an organization that supports LEGAL possession and usage of firearms to be associated with someone using "KILLER" as a fucking nickname. I think we're all aware where these kinds of people get their names from.

Shit like this is why I don't pay for an NRA membership anymore.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on March 27, 2018, 07:57:27 PM
well, i worked at yankee stadium at the entrance gates, protecting the crowd patrons from knives, guns, and alcohol (the stadium gets more $$ if they buy it there). i don't think i was the best at what  idid, i had some training at the stadium but anyone could pick it up if they were observant enough. i used body language as cues though, drunk people always gave it away. i found many items but of course you had to let some shit slide as you would have to pat down their crotch to get to the shit. i inspected all bags and purses as well.

anyways, i think a similiar framework would be beneficial in todays, mass shooting phenomenon. you can see bulges for guns, nobody would be able to bring in an assault rifle. a handgun maybe. i spotted a guy with a gun and asked for his badge and all saw was a bulge in his shirt. mind you i checked hundreds if not thousands ppl A DAY, you couldn't take more than 10 seconds checking one person as it would hold up the nearly 50,000 patrons that wanted to go in. from a former security guards  POV, yes i do think clear bookbags are a good start.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 31, 2018, 03:48:20 AM
In general they're  not wrong about bitching about the clear backpacks. I'm not wearing one so everyone can see my stuff. But they're minors and I'm 14-17 years older than them. My every day routine isn't walking into a public school. But yeah I think most have seen it at sporting events even if it isn't required. You can still plan ahead. My wife takes one when we go to a UNC game and fills it with toys and kids snacks, etc. You bypass security way faster.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on March 31, 2018, 04:20:38 PM
well i left the stadium in 2013. they might have better security protocols now, however they would constantly change what people could bring in for security issues and (to make more money)  as for clothes checks, the less clothes the quicker it is. winter was the worst. ppl taking off their jackets, clear backpacks and purses would be a godsend. i'm sure the stadium is selling clear merchandise with the yankees logo already to make a fortune. however when i think back to how ppl hid shit in other objects, clear back packs will still have to be inspected, it will just decrease the amount of time it takes to get through large areas.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 01, 2018, 12:24:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZoNzGVVoAE6LQO.jpg)

 :P

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 01, 2018, 05:13:06 AM
Oh, buuuurn. :D
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 01, 2018, 05:28:23 AM
That was probably the worst thing from that bill maher episode(them claiming to be experts from suffering a tragedy).

It's about like saying that you automatically know more about extinguishing fires than firemen because you survived a structure fire. :|

Did you see how they claimed to be millennials in that same interview? I couldn't help but notice some irony. They claim that all the previous generations fucked everything up and know nothing about "democracy" so it's their job to "fix" it and they're confident in doing so. Yet they falsely identify with the generation above them. Maybe they're at least smart enough to know how stupid their generation is :lolsign:

Whenever there's a debate when the other side can claim their rights and liberties are being taken away that side rarely loses. America loves its guns. If you want to be a driving force for a change, ok, but considering the first two statements can you at least not go about it being little pricks? The majority of the country supports gun legislation. Some just get a little weary when you mention repealing/changing the 2nd amendment, and/or banning an entire brand. If you take an AR 15 and remove the pistol grip, minus scary black color, and add wood grain color you now have a ruger m4 mini. My dad has an m4 mini for shooting rats that eat up his lawn. What else will eventually be banned if the AR 15 is banned? All semi auto .22's? I'm not sure. I know the 15 is way more easily modified to make it more dangerous, but I could see the dominos falling.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 01, 2018, 01:35:17 PM
You know what thought I just had... how did we get so fucked? Our generation had the older folks who gave birth to us and subjected us to stupid shit like keeping all the really fun drugs illegal, and now the fucking idiots younger than us are determined to make everything even MORE sterile and shitty and joyless. I always thought that one day we'd get to be the old people and repeal all the dumb shit we were subjected to, but it appears as though these younger idiots are just gonna leapfrog us in line and create even STUPIDER policies. We get shit on from above AND below.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 01, 2018, 08:12:52 PM
Never thought about it quite like that but yeah that's true haha. I just thought of social security too.  My dad just retired at age 68. So we're starting to get into the fat of baby boomers collecting their money. Has money ever been returned to SS after Clinton "borrowed" from it to balance the budget? I don't even know. Probably not. They'll probably tax the people that work the most, gen x and older millennials, to save the older folks and get the tidepod generation off the hook.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 02, 2018, 04:42:44 AM
When the US spends about 50 to 75% more than the 2nd largest military in the world (because we're the #1 largest), it's no wonder that we can't afford to pay for everyone's healthcare like they do in Britain. Without our pointless meddling all over the globe, we'd be able to fund Social Security as well.

But... God knows we need lots of expensive planes and tanks and bombs in other countries that are actively doing things like (repeat it in unison with me now brothers and sisters) "protecting our freedoms". Because apparently our freedom is imported to us from these places... right? When the Romans took over most of the known world, they were protecting the freedoms of the people in Rome. ::)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 02, 2018, 05:23:57 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/476540002
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 05, 2018, 12:04:49 AM
Lesbian Couple Drives Their Kids Off a Cliff | DailyMail Blames the KKK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6LV0GV6HeQ)
https://www.youtube.com/v/y6LV0GV6HeQ

:raincloud: <- for the tragedy involving the kids

:ohlord: <- for the apparent deliberate pushing of a fake news narrative by DailyMail



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: SlobbOnMyCob on April 11, 2018, 12:35:53 PM
When the US spends about 50 to 75% more than the 2nd largest military in the world (because we're the #1 largest), it's no wonder that we can't afford to pay for everyone's healthcare like they do in Britain. Without our pointless meddling all over the globe, we'd be able to fund Social Security as well.

But... God knows we need lots of expensive planes and tanks and bombs in other countries that are actively doing things like (repeat it in unison with me now brothers and sisters) "protecting our freedoms". Because apparently our freedom is imported to us from these places... right? When the Romans took over most of the known world, they were protecting the freedoms of the people in Rome. ::)

The military overpays for everything. After high-school I spent 4 years active army and a tour of Afghanistan. The government contracted a ton of Afghani nationals to do various shit jobs.... in most parts of south Afghanistan, the norm is to get paid first and then do the job. The US being as politically awesome as it is, didn't want to dis-respect the culture, so would pay millions of dollars upfront to contracted workers before anything gets done. AMAZINGLY when you pay people MILLIONS of fucking dollars before they start working they will say FUCK YOU and run away with the money.

This is just the army, I can't even begin to describe other branches of service. Equipment is way overpaid for and contracted civilians are the most useless pieces of shit that get paid more then grunts do.
Fix those two things and the money spent on DoD will be halved in the first year.     
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 11, 2018, 02:29:23 PM
Yeah whatever. ::)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: SlobbOnMyCob on April 11, 2018, 04:00:47 PM
Yeah whatever. ::)

Oh ya I forgot you were in a high stress job at wal-mart.


I did the most physical work

Poor baby

fucks with your sanity after a while

You might have PTSD now from wal-mart. WOW I shouldn't have said anything about being in the army or police because that tops everything right there.

People are shit. I'd much rather deal with the same co-workers every day and maybe hate a few of them rather than deal with general population retail consumers who I'll probably hate every single one of. When you meet 500 new people a day and you hate all of them

Don't you have a bathroom wall to write on some where?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 12, 2018, 09:42:39 AM
Yeah whatever. ::)

Oh ya I forgot you were in a high stress job at wal-mart.


I did the most physical work

Poor baby

fucks with your sanity after a while

You might have PTSD now from wal-mart. WOW I shouldn't have said anything about being in the army or police because that tops everything right there.

People are shit. I'd much rather deal with the same co-workers every day and maybe hate a few of them rather than deal with general population retail consumers who I'll probably hate every single one of. When you meet 500 new people a day and you hate all of them

Don't you have a bathroom wall to write on some where?

Try harder, stolen valor boy.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 17, 2018, 12:23:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DayYLBsVwAAiBA-.jpg)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 17, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
Lol at the above. How do y'all feel about Donnie proposing to drug test welfare?

I've been offered by 4 companies to leave my job in the past year and work for them. I have superintendents fighting over what position they want me at. But I see help wanted signs everywhere I go no matter the state.

I'm not special. I'm just a normal guy that works. Apparently that's a rarity these days.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 17, 2018, 07:41:37 PM
I dunno. Drug testing really isn't that reliable as it is. I've passed drug tests before when I had been using substances recently enough to have been detected.

On the other hand, if the government tests all these fuckers and kicks 75% of them off the program, are they gonna start using that money to better serve the working schmucks who paid it in the first place? FUCK NO. Taxes have gone up all over the fucking place, more people are paying taxes today than 20 years ago, but are we better off financially than we were back then? FUCK NO.

These shitheads aren't gonna balance a budget and fix things. They're fucking crooks. They're gonna shovel the money 8 zillion different ways to pay for all the dumb shit their crooked buddies tell them to pay for, and the rest of us can eat shit and die for all they care. And they're content to keep pushing it right up to the limit of whatever keeps the filthy masses from burning down half of LA like back in the early 90's.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on April 18, 2018, 04:59:33 AM
Haunted - your special  :badgrin:

I like the idea of drug testing to get benefits, if it is not more costly as paying the people. 

The idea I like better, is making healthy welfare recipients work in some way (cleaning up roadways, working at a food kitchen, etc).  People could do some of the low paying jobs and maybe we supplement their income with a partial welfare to boost them to a higher standard of living, that way we are paying less and getting something productive out of these people and they are better off also.

I am with Foc on some of the useless ways the government waste money, there is definitely a lot of improvement needed there.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 18, 2018, 10:58:50 AM
I'm not special. I'm just a normal guy that works. Apparently that's a rarity these days.

I'm quoting Wikipedia here, but I'd heard a psychologist (Jordan Peterson) make an interesting point about this stat the other day:

"The US military has minimum enlistment standards at about the IQ 85 level. There have been two experiments with lowering this to 80 but in both cases these men could not master soldiering well enough to justify their costs."[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Job_performance)

Peterson's observation was something like the following:

- The military has been studying and refining IQ-based metrics since circa the 1940's.
- The military wants as many recruits as it can get, so it's in their interest to set the bar as low as possible.
- Below an IQ of about 83, people were not able to fill any available role.
- This is about 10% of our population! What jobs are available for them? (Probably jobs that are on the verge of being replaced by automation.)

Viewed like that, it's a tough problem.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Muerte on April 18, 2018, 05:14:54 PM
I'm not special. I'm just a normal guy that works. Apparently that's a rarity these days.
hah you make me laugh. ppl like you was always problem in "former" communist countries, because you are not member of majority brainwashed idiots

2012-2017 president of Serbia was "ex communist" who had 3 years highschool and job title Construction Worker Assistant who was taking out dirt because he was to stupid for anything else, and become politician
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 18, 2018, 11:29:58 PM
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... What?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 19, 2018, 03:07:36 AM
Since I've been quoted twice for that statement I'll clarify a tad even if most of you knew what I meant.

All you have to be is normal to be a shining star at most work places. It's because everyone else sucks. No one is worth a shit nowadays.

I can get anyone a 12$/hour job where your main duty is not falling asleep, literally. Requiring more effort on my part I can get someone a higher paying job. ive never done either. Because I don't want them to fuck up, be shitty at the job, or fail a drug test. It would reflect poorly on me if I vouched for them.

I meant it when I said I'm not special. Uncommon is a better word and it's sad that's the case.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on April 19, 2018, 02:46:51 PM
I'm not special. I'm just a normal guy that works. Apparently that's a rarity these days.
hah you make me laugh. ppl like you was always problem in "former" communist countries, because you are not member of majority brainwashed idiots

2012-2017 president of Serbia was "ex communist" who had 3 years highschool and job title Construction Worker Assistant who was taking out dirt because he was to stupid for anything else, and become politician

He became a politician... you became an asshole.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on April 20, 2018, 04:37:16 AM
I agree with Haunted.

Years ago, someone who came in and did their job and did not cause any problems was considered a normal/average worker.

Today at many jobs, just doing what is required and not causing any issues makes you an excellent employee.

I think what Haunted is saying is the worker performance/expectations level has changed over the years.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 27, 2018, 08:02:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbjerRsUQAAuK2T.jpg)

(derived from: original (http://www.pinhumour.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/aphotographertookpicturesofpeoplebeforeandaftershecalledthembeautiful-1453755389n48gk.jpg))


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 02, 2018, 12:48:33 PM
Kodak moment. :D

https://www.facebook.com/RepresentativeMattGaetz/posts/1617089721673713
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on May 09, 2018, 03:23:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZoNzGVVoAE6LQO.jpg)

 :P

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 19, 2018, 10:45:53 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 19, 2018, 11:56:18 AM
That looks more like the script shit on the ring from the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Definitely not jawa scribble.

And I just wanna thank Nancy Pelosi for setting us all straight that the fine young men who make up the Mara Salvatrucha 13 gang are human beings with a "spark of divinity" (wank wank wank) just like everyone else. They are NOT animals! What wonderful guys they are. You should all let them date your daughters. They probably won't rape them.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 19, 2018, 12:10:38 PM
"Shakira law"  :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on May 19, 2018, 01:07:39 PM
And another thing. The Royal fuckin' Wedding.

Royalty? You people have a fuckin' Queen? Really? Did the Wizard show up and use his magic staff to ward off the evil dragon from attacking the wedding procession? ::)

This is proof that British people are nicer and more level headed than Americans. Because if that were America, we'd be burning down Buckingham Palace and demanding the abolishment of all royalty/nobility/whatever the fuck. "It's just for show. They're really just figureheads these days." Are you shitting me!?! Those are some EXPENSIVE fucking showings, all of them getting a lavish ultra-upper-class free ride on the tax payers dime, all of them riding around in 4 million dollar highly customized Rolls Royce's with ballistic glass and armor plating and beefed up engines.

What the fuck ever. Maybe it ain't my place to talk shit about how people do things in a country I wasn't born in...

But if John Oliver can talk shit about my government, then fuck his Queen all the same.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 19, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
John Oliver acting like he's the voice of reason with everything leaning hardcore left annoys me. He'd annoy me if he leaned right doing the same routine too.

Red coat Yankee bastard.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on May 19, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
Tastyspleen has a Queen - 2D  :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on May 20, 2018, 06:53:56 PM
Laurel vs Yanny

It's not a fucking debate. Its fucking laurel.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on June 26, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
The effusive titling of the video aside, a rather amusing conversation/debate on the topics of affirmative action, "white privilege", etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRHtqtOkxy4
https://www.youtube.com/v/zRHtqtOkxy4

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on June 26, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
She actually fucking said that she approves of segregation.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jack-tripper.gif)

Fucking racist bitch.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on September 30, 2018, 04:40:46 PM
Another university student chastised for wrongthink (aka citing a scientific study in class.)

Records the meeting, releases audio after graduating:

https://youtu.be/abQwa99i5r8?t=13
https://www.youtube.com/v/abQwa99i5r8

(As someone succinctly observed in the comment section: "People now pay money to be gaslighted by professors.")

Note: The classroom context in which the student cited a study wasn't immediately clear to me; but I believe it was as follows: Class was discussing autism in some context, and data exists correlating higher incidences of autism with premature births; Student makes the connection with another study linking induced abortion with complications in subsequent pregnancies, one of the complications being premature births. Student wonders if this might imply a link between abortion rates -> subsequent premature births -> autism rates. Student is hauled into a disciplinary meeting and quite literally told that critical thinking is no longer appropriate in the classroom, because feelings.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 30, 2018, 05:08:01 PM
So?

A few canadian sissy bitch college professors wanna say some... uh...

Wait ...what are they saying, exactly?

Abortion and autism... what the fuck does one have to do with the other? If you have an abortion, the kid is fuckin' DEAD, and dead people don't exhibit signs of autism anymore.

Is it: People who have abortions are more likely to prematurely give birth to the random babies they DON'T suck out with a vacuum cleaner and could be more likely to be autistic... and then we wave a Bible and imply that autism is punishment from God? Is that the gripe here? Because even then... unless THAT'S what she fuckin' did, who cares either way. But if she stood up waving a Bible and talking about "righteous punishment and brimstone and Hell for sinners!", then I suppose... the other students in the class shouldn't be "triggered", they should just throw garbage at her for being the village idiot.

Is this a thing? Is this the viral activist thing all the "moderates" are pissed about this week? Because... I don't see the point in this one.

What the fuck is this "triggered" bullshit? That's the most pussy-fag fuckin' word I've ever heard. What the fuck happened to the world where when you upset someone, they didn't cower behind the skirt of terms like "triggered" or what-the-fuck-ever, they just stood up with their chest bowed out and told you to go fuck yourself on a fence post?

When they talk about the 2010's in US History books a few decades from now, they should damn well title the chapter:

The Systematic Pussification of America.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on September 30, 2018, 06:30:11 PM
Get happy foc :ilysign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on September 30, 2018, 08:20:03 PM
I can't fuckin' be alone in thinking this though, can I? I went to college for a little while... drunk a lot, high a WHOLE lot, but I did go and I do remember what it was like. I don't remember my professors being these twat swizzles that wouldn't tell you to sit down and shut the fuck up and just do the assignment in front of you. They didn't give a fuck about shaping your philosophies and making you feel "safe". They were there to punch a clock, teach you some shit that was ENTIRELY YOUR OWN JOB to learn (sink or swim, they didn't care), and then collect a check and go home.

Seems to me too many of these professors are acting like self-important church pastors, preening and primping in a mirror as they practice their speeches before class, and preaching their collectivist gospel to their flock of students. And these students, for some reason, are too chickenshit to dissent in large enough numbers to take back the class and make it about "LEARNING REAL SHIT" again.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on September 30, 2018, 10:08:38 PM
Focalor, u need to get picked up by some national news site or newspaper and have your own Askfocalor column lmao, you are really good  :rockon:  Someone pull some strings and get him a column lol
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on October 01, 2018, 09:35:21 AM
Says the retard who thinks saying slightly rude shit to cops is "owning them so hard". Fuckin' dork.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 06, 2018, 05:54:44 PM
I know I talk some shit about how "voting doesn't matter", and "1 idiot cancels out my vote, and there's COUNTLESS idiots, so it's hopeless", etc etc etc. I didn't really stress over who won the last presidential election. But this fuckin local midterm shit.... WOW. I'm ACTUALLY scared this time. We've had some real piece of shit governors in the State of Georgia in the last 50 or 60 years, some of them racist fucking bastards, others just dumb as shit. But lately shit in my states capital locale has been getting corrupt as a motherfucker. The last mayor of Atlanta was literally a criminal and he's still under ongoing investigation. He hasn't been charged yet (I don't think)... probably because they keep finding more shit to investigate and tack on to the list. And his replacement... I don't have any proof, but I can tell by looking at her... she's crooked as fuck. I've known LOTS of crooks in my time. She... IS one, no doubt.

And these two latest morons they push out here for us to vote on for Governor. HOLY FUCKING SHEEP SHIT, batman. The Republican is the same ole same ole white dickhead who I know will be completely inept and basically invisible for his entire term. I don't WANT to vote for another stupid fucking white republican beergut good ole boy dickhead, because we get that every fucking time. But this fat gap-toothed black bitch the democratic party has, Stacey Abrams, OH MY FUCKING GOD. I swear to fuckin jumpin' frog jesus man, I'd almost rather have Hillary or Oprah as my state Governor, not even kidding. If she gets elected, I will seriously consider moving out of the state.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 07, 2018, 06:51:56 PM
She still thinks she is going to win also.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 07, 2018, 06:56:14 PM
Yeah, the dumb bitch. "Theres mail votes still to be counted." Even if ALL of them were for her, she'd still probably not have enough. Lose gracefully, ya fat gap-toothed bitch. Most of all.... JUST LOSE!

She looks like Alfalfa's dad fucked Buckwheats mom.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 08, 2018, 05:34:21 AM
Wasn't she seen in a picture from her past burning the GA flag :?:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 08, 2018, 07:17:03 AM
It's nuts how close it was.

Speaking of nuts, how crazy is it that in many aspects the republican party is the MORE reasonable party these days? Keep in mind that's relative, I'm not saying they're reasonable.

When the tea party highjacked the republican party most of them were straight up loony!! How could it get any worse!?

Democrats: "Hold my beer"

 :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 08, 2018, 07:23:07 PM
It's nuts how close it was.

Speaking of nuts, how crazy is it that in many aspects the republican party is the MORE reasonable party these days? Keep in mind that's relative, I'm not saying they're reasonable.

When the tea party highjacked the republican party most of them were straight up loony!! How could it get any worse!?

Democrats: "Hold my beer"

 :lolsign:

Very very true. Hadn't thought of it like that before, but... absolutely.

Wasn't she seen in a picture from her past burning the GA flag :?:

Probably. I think I heard something about how she was involved in a protest (around 1999 or 2000) on the state capital steps where they burned the State of Georgia flag because it had the confederate "X" battle flag on it. And... I'm not entirely opposed to someone getting upset about that one. The reason it found it's way onto the state flag is a pretty bad one. Several states did it in closed untalked-about sessions as basically a way to tell the federal government to go fuck itself when they attempted to enforce desegregation and any related policies. Many whites insisted "It's a part of our history!" but they weren't entirely aware of all the circumstances surrounding it's initial adoption as a part of the flag in the late 50's. So after much debate, the state finally officially discontinued that flag. And several years prior to that, many state and local offices refused to display the flag. So for a year, we kinda didn't have an official flag. We had a flag that depicted several different versions of our state flags throughout the states history, one of them being a small image of the previous confederate battle flag version from the 1950's to 1998-ish (can't remember the exact years). But then the state congress came to a compromise on a flag that removed the Confederate battle flag, but still displayed our historical heritage (aka Confederate heritage). The entire flag looks almost EXACTLY like the actual Confederate flag. NOT the battle flag of the Army of Tennessee and/or the Army of Northern Virginia, that's the blue X on a red background with 13 stars. I'll try to google up some pics here...

So this is the current State of Georgia flag:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Flag_of_Georgia_%28U.S._state%29.svg/255px-Flag_of_Georgia_%28U.S._state%29.svg.png)

And this is the last version of the national flag of the Confederate States of America. It's known as the "Stars and Bars" of the Confederacy.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281861%E2%80%931863%29.svg/255px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281861%E2%80%931863%29.svg.png)

And just for reference... This flag is often incorrectly called the "stars and bars"... it is NOT. It is the battle colors of the Army of Tennessee as well as the battle colors of the Army of North Virginia (Gen Lee's army).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Confederate_Rebel_Flag.svg/950px-Confederate_Rebel_Flag.svg.png)

See what I mean? What they changed it to now is almost WORSE if you're insisting on a state flag that doesn't depict or honor the Confederacy. But... people are ignorant enough about their history that they don't even realize what it is. Unfortunately, the god damned Ku Klux Klan adopted the battle flag, the flag that many southern sons died under fighting for their homeland and the dream of an independent south, and NOT for slavery. The vast majority of confederate soldiers did not own slaves and did not care to DIE simply so other people with more money than them could keep their damned slaves. Like in all modern wars, it was the policy of an out of touch government that pushed the agenda towards slavery. Without ranting too much, it just disappoints me that these assholes have taken a flag that so many men died for with mostly noble intentions and perverted it by turning it into a rallying symbol for some shit that dishonors and disservices the memory of those who carried it into numerous battles.

Anyway, where was I?

Yeah, pretty sure she burnt the flag. And I'm not one to really freak out about that kind of thing no matter what the flag is. It's just a cloth, it's not fucking holy. If it's a military regiments ACTUAL BATTLE COLORS, the flag they carry onto the battlefield and it belongs to the regiment, yeah, don't burn that shit, that's fuckin' rude as hell, and I'll slap the fuck outta you. But an American flag or a Confederate flag or whatever... pffft, who cares. Most of them are made in fucking China anyway. :D

Another thing she mentioned at some point was REMOVING the bas relief carving from Stone Mountain. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLL naw. You pack your shit and move to the west coast where they appreciate that kind of shit, you ain't sitting in MY fucking Governors mansion, bitch. You can ride that blue wave right the fuck outta here.

So yeah, I voted for the pasty dorky pseudo-redneck who had a commercial of him sitting on the tailgate of a truck with a break barrel shotgun... because lordy lordy, us common Georgia peasants can often be found cleaning our shotguns on the tailgates of pickup trucks in front of the red and white barn, derp derp. And this is why I fucking hate politics. These ads are so fucking pandering and fake and insinuate that they think we're stupid enough to believe the shit they say in these 30 second bullshit fests... and sadly... too many fucking people ARE swayed by that garbage.

Meh. Fuck Brian Kemp. But holy jumping shit lizards, fuck the fucking fuckity fuck outta Stacey Abrams and get that fucking cunt the fuck outta here FOREVER AND EVER.

The other race I was worried shitless about what the GA dist. 6 race between Karen Handel and Lucy McBath. Of course those fucking retards in DeKalb county came out by the dumptruck load to give McBath a slim victory. There's like a 3000 vote margin though, so it might've been able to go to a runoff. But I think McBath scored bbbbbbbbbbbbbbarely over the 50% mark, so Handel has already conceded... GRACIOUSLY... UNLIKE THAT CUNT ABRAMS.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 09, 2018, 11:43:57 AM
It's nuts how close it was.

Speaking of nuts, how crazy is it that in many aspects the republican party is the MORE reasonable party these days? Keep in mind that's relative, I'm not saying they're reasonable.

When the tea party highjacked the republican party most of them were straight up loony!! How could it get any worse!?

Democrats: "Hold my beer"

 :lolsign:

Very very true. Hadn't thought of it like that before, but... absolutely.

Haha yeah it was a random thought of mine. If I was trying to make a point it would've been this.

So many moderates or people leaning slightly right felt like the Republican party had lost their way including myself. Then this is what the Democrats muster up. They blew it big time.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 09, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
All they gotta do is this:

Have a position on things. State that position in clear language. Then when you get elected, actually DO those things.

How fucking hard does it have to be? No, instead, they flip flop, take contributions from corporations who tell them which way to vote... fuck that shit. We didn't elect your DONORS, we elected YOU.

Ever since they reformed campaign finance, it's been the single biggest thing to fuck up politics since... EVER.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 09, 2018, 07:08:40 PM
When the tea party highjacked the republican party most of them were straight up loony!! How could it get any worse!?

Democrats: "Hold my beer"

Haha; indeed. The Democrats have undoubtedly been co-opted by their own faction of loonies. (And I say this as someone who had leaned Democrat most of his adult life.)


All they gotta do is this:

Have a position on things. State that position in clear language. Then when you get elected, actually DO those things.

Or, just blatantly reverse your position to fit the narrative of the day:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drjp4nUU4AAxGfO.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drjp4nWVYAE45e2.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drjp4nWU4AAYk6k.jpg)


:ugly_08:


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Punk_FAS on November 10, 2018, 12:12:41 AM
I disagree that they changed their position. Has the context not changed at all from when those earlier tweets were first made until now? They've been consistent in their aims of having a fair and thorough investigation take place.

Clearly they each felt that recusal wasn't sufficient back when Sessions first did so (and a few months after that for Warren - btw, are we 100% sure that comment, in June, was about the recusal?). Since his recusal, Trump has lambasted Sessions both publicly, and privately as well (reportedly), for said recusal. Trump ultimately forced Sessions' resignation (read: he fired him) because Sessions recused himself, trying to do what he felt was appropriate for the investigation, under the circumstances. Now, it's not merely that Trump forced Sessions' resignation that has those other politicians upset, it's why Trump has done so. This isn't them finally getting what they initially insisted on - the circumstances have changed significantly. Who does Trump appoint to replace Sessions now? He appoints the person who has been very critical, in public, about the merits of the investigation. How is it reasonable for Trump - one of the main focuses of the investigation, a person who has incessantly referred to it as a "witch hunt", and a hoax - to hand pick the person who will oversee this investigation, and for this person to have intimated that he would shut down the investigation, or greatly limit it, as well as essentially calling it hogwash as well?

I think it's clear that those other politicians are taking those things into consideration when they've made their recent comments. Those details weren't in play (among many other things I'm sure I'm not thinking of) 1.5+ years ago when those initial tweets were created.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 10, 2018, 08:23:44 AM
Why are you defending them?  :???:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on November 11, 2018, 07:45:41 AM
it's completely compromised politicians. you can tell who they are controlled by. who is replacing the former official? what are they for/against. who is funding the opposition? to find who rules over you,are the ones you're not allowed to criticize.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 11, 2018, 09:29:08 AM
to find who rules over you,are the ones you're not allowed to criticize.

The jews? Wait... I thought I was the racist piece of shit around here.

And while I'm half-joking... it wouldn't surprise me if you really did mean the jews. You seem to be the infowars type.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on November 13, 2018, 09:15:11 PM
i used to watch infowars, i realized it was a bunch of hype mixed with some semi-factual tidbits of info.  now i just read blurbs of news in the facebook and take it with a grain of salt. i usually only consider official .gov .org type headlines with multiple sources that prove it's legitimacy. it usually is the people with the most money that have the most control. however the worm has turned it seems. we know a market bubble has been hovering for a long time. the architects of the old system aren't going to be able to create another fiat system again.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 15, 2018, 10:25:56 AM
"This guy should be banned from speaking!"
"What's something he's said you disagree with?"
"Uh… I don't really know what he says."

"This guy's speech leads to people being murdered in synagogues!"
"But, he's Jewish…"
"… *slogan chanting increases*"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in1og1-uOEA
https://www.youtube.com/v/in1og1-uOEA


:erhmmm:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on November 15, 2018, 12:00:51 PM
 :WTF: Ben Shapiro is not racist... not even a little. He's certainly not facist... not even a little. He's a fast talking and quite dorky Reagan-revering conservative. I've listened to his radio show a few times, not really because I like him, but simply because it comes on for about an hour between two other shows I sometimes listen to. So I say none of this as a "fan" of his at all. I'm as neutral and unbiased towards him personally as one can be. I don't necessarily agree with "Republican" politics in general, but Ben Shapiro as a person is NINE THOUSAND TIMES more intelligent and articulate than any 100 of these dumbass kids put together.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on November 15, 2018, 05:29:30 PM
Yes.

Shapiro is a very articulate guy and can out debate anyone. He's sharp as a tack even if we don't agree with him all the time.

That video embodies what I can't stand what's going on currently. Is it possible to vote blue, but still call out the democrat party for losing their way and being ridiculous?

No, you're a racist Nazi trump supporter.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on November 25, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
Most of the people there appear to be just followers who don't really know any of the facts.  If most of them were to actually have a debate, they would look foolish.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on November 30, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
This youtuber presents an interesting thesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWSoV6zE0M
https://www.youtube.com/v/bZWSoV6zE0M

I hadn't been aware of the degree to which game publishers (as well as, indirectly, large retailers like Wal-Mart) are structuring financial incentives in developer contracts based on Metacritic score thresholds. (For example: The developers of Fallout: New Vegas reportedly missed a million-dollar bonus by 1 "point" when the game garnered an overall score of 84 on Metacritic, instead of the 85 stipulated in their contract with Bethesda.)

And so: as a developer if you want to earn those bonuses, the smart strategy may be to inject politics into your game that aligns with that of the ideologues and activist 'journalists' writing most of the reviews.

Examples are given in the video of such activist bloggers—ahem!—"game journalists" knocking games' scores down for either having the 'wrong' politics; or, for being merely apolitical enough to lack sufficient 'correct' political messaging woven into the game's story.

It's bizarre to me that a game developer's financial well-being would be tied contractually to some arbitrary number on a review aggregation website. Particularly given the leaked emails a few years back that exposed a cabal of dozens of reviewers for high-profile gaming websites (http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=gjp) coordinating to tailor their game reviews along political lines.

:ohlord:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 03, 2018, 03:27:44 PM
you can't reason, with ignorant, stupid, or otherwise biased people. especially when you're being paid to protest. that's why i like anarchy or minarchy at least. you can do what you want as long as you're not hurting anyone or stealing from them.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 04, 2018, 03:14:57 AM
you can't reason, with ignorant, stupid, or otherwise biased people.

Sounds like a biased statement. :badgrin:

that's why i like anarchy or minarchy at least. you can do what you want as long as you're not hurting anyone or stealing from them.


That's pretty much what people do right now. I'm not saying I disagree with those political philosophies, but from what you've said, it seems to me that you've only skimmed over the brief synopsis of what those philosophies entail. I'd urge you and anyone else to learn about it EXTENSIVELY before claiming to espouse such a position. You may find that you don't completely agree with it. And at the very least, if you do agree with it, you'll be better prepared to discuss it with people who aren't familiar with it... otherwise you might give them false information about it, or... they might get the impression that one of your opinions about any given topic might represent those political philosophies when they perhaps do not.

Anarchy is bullshit unless you live alone on an island. Governing and committees are necessary. Even prison gangs govern by committee, and they care less about "law and order" than anyone else. Humans are animals, no different from the other hundreds of animals that we watch on nature shows narrated by David Attenborough. The simplest of insects organize. Even the more complex and intelligent animals like wolves hunt in collective packs in order to be more successful and survive. Anarchy simply isn't in our nature. We are a social animal. If that were not true, riots would be far more prevalent and prolonged than they are. Then again, sometimes riot are fairly organized events. Organized protests have the potential to become riots, and those rioters attack property and uniformed police, not each other. Further proof we are an animal with social instincts.

Still... libertarian political philosophies aren't really the problem with video games and Metacritic. The problem is the blurred and now basically NON-EXISTENT line between corporate interests and political interests. Neither one of them respect the institution of democracy and the people. They both view the world as a casino, and they use polls and market research data to basically "count cards" and always have an unfair advantage over the individual who plays the game honestly and fairly. And sometimes they get idiots like video game reviewers to willingly work for them under the pretense that they are helping to change the world for the better.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 04, 2018, 04:28:20 AM
I heard Elizabeth Warren was forced to leave a restaurant the other night - she did not have a reservation  :nana:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 04, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
Anarchy is bullshit unless you live alone on an island. Governing and committees are necessary. Even prison gangs govern by committee, and they care less about "law and order" than anyone else.

Yes; while I wish to live in a system that maximizes individual liberty, it also has to meet the following criteria:

 1. Does it scale?
 2. Are liberties preserved despite attempts to game the system?

1. Scalability: The system not only has to scale past the size of an island, it has to scale all the way to being the technologically supreme civilization on the planet. Civilizations that lag behind technologically will be unable to defend themselves.

2. Simplistic systems, e.g. "unregulated free market" that might sound like they maximize freedom on paper, are weak to game-theoretical attacks. When ethical behavior has an associated cost, profit margins favor the least ethical actors.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 04, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
When ethical behavior has an associated cost, profit margins favor the least ethical actors.

We're big pharma. We're here to help.
(http://havidol.com/images/content_male.jpg)

http://havidol.com/index.php
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 04, 2018, 03:08:00 PM
Apple 1984–2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0S-3mI8aAo
https://www.youtube.com/v/V0S-3mI8aAo

Seen in the comments:

"Introducing the iDealogue"
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 05, 2018, 03:44:34 AM
"Those who seek to push hate, division, and violence: You have have no place on our platforms. You have no home here."

One particular comment:
Quote
In that case they reeeeally need to delete most of the rap songs on iTunes.....

Burnt. :D

On one hand, I don't really give a TRUE shit about the rights of some racist dingleberries. It's an ideology that just needs to go the fuck away already. And one might say, "Well if you censor that, it sets a precedent for yada yada yada..." But what you may not realize is that the precedent has ALREADY been set. The legal definition for what constitutes a "hate crime" in some places is very broad and ambiguous, usually saying something about "evidence of prejudice while committing an offense". In a way, you could prosecute MOST interpersonal offenses under that.

I can't say I feel these people do these kinds of things because their heart isn't in the right place. They mean well. And a well-meaning idiot can do as much damage as an ill-meaning enemy. I'd wait to see how they enforce that policy before drawing conclusions that they will be some kind of Ayn Rand-ish collectivist dictators repressing freedom of speech. I suspect they have a few bad actors in mind who they want to eliminate from their world. And as part of the terms of service no one is guaranteed a fucking thing ever, right? You pay for it, but if they want to, they can wave a magic wand and make it obsolete to-fucking-morrow, just to be dicks, just to fuck with ONE person, just because. I bought an Xbox, but they can update the shit and change it and fuck it up at will. I can bitch about it... that's really ALL I can do, though.

Society is reaching a tipping point obviously. People are tired of the bullshit in every form. I'm a gun owner, I love guns,... but I also own eyeballs and a brain. I see the shit on the news. Shootings happening all over the fucking place, ridiculous murder rates, robbery with guns. People are getting sick and fucking tired of living like this, always worrying about their safety, wondering when they send their kids off to school in the morning if they'll come home alive. Our track record as a society proves that statistically we are not capable of being responsible gun owners. And yeah, the statistics may prove that it's a very very very small number of fucked up individuals committing these acts, but... that small number is still enough on it's own to warrant deep concern. And it's not even a number. It's PEOPLE. Dead people. People like you. People like me. They had families and friends and shit to do tomorrow. And then someone killed them. To those few people affected by it, it changed their entire world. Is it any wonder they push so hard to do something to change things?

I'd vote against it, and I'd be sad to lose my guns, but if it actually happened... I can't say I couldn't understand the WHY of it.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 11, 2018, 01:38:35 AM

That's pretty much what people do right now, but from what you've said, it seems to me that you've only skimmed over the brief synopsis of what those philosophies entail. I'd urge you and anyone else to learn about it EXTENSIVELY before claiming to espouse such a position.


Anarchy is bullshit unless you live alone on an island. Governing and committees are necessary. Even prison gangs govern by committee, and they care less about "law and order" than anyone else. Humans are animals, no different from the other hundreds of animals that we watch on nature shows narrated by David Attenborough. The simplest of insects organize. Even the more complex and intelligent animals like wolves hunt in collective packs in order to be more successful and survive. Anarchy simply isn't in our nature. We are a social animal. If that were not true, riots would be far more prevalent and prolonged than they are. Then again, sometimes riot are fairly organized events. Organized protests have the potential to become riots, and those rioters attack property and uniformed police, not each other. Further proof we are an animal with social instincts.


well i'm no guru when it comes to anarchism. however i do know  substantially more than the average joe about it. i engage lots of anarchists on social media. what we all have in common is the disdain for modern policing. the laws are written by criminal politicians. the people end up paying the price because the other sizeable portion of "statists" follow all the laws regardless if they're good or bad. i could give many examples but  i dont' really want to argue what is good or bad. i like agorism as a political philosophy.  i'm not claiming to be a hardcore anarchist myself. i do believe there should be rules, however we don't need a government to frame those rules. i believe in a more decentralized approach. "saloon rules" if you will.

there are many different typ[es of anarchists anarcho-capitalist anarcho-socialist etc etc.,  i sure would liek a good ol' minarchist republic however more often than not we are right back to a macron owned france with yellow vests besieging the city, "storming the bastille". only a few hundred years ago ppl wore different garments, with more aged technology. humanity has been going through revolutions for as long as we been here. instead of immune police having authority over  people, others have proposed security officers and insurance firms where there can be no monopoly, hence almost eliminating almost all corruption. no mandate to buy protection, you can defend your own property. no taxes, no bullshit. you decide your level of comfort. of course there is always the question of land ownership disputes but no system is perfect.

basically anarchy is leaving people the fuck alone. we have the technology to do it. without listening to some money grubbing dictator to buy up all the assets and politicians to go with it. there are a couple of anarchists who have very sound logical and rational arguments and solutions advocating an anarchy structure. larkin & rose. lysander spooner is also a good book i hear that has been named alot.  it makes the constitution look like an outdated document when you consider the freedoms they talk about.,

(https://pics.me.me/10-things-you-should-know-if-you-want-to-date-25710490.png)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 11, 2018, 07:32:00 AM
Dear Anarchobabe,

I'd like to address your points.

#1, Public education is indoctrination. Eh, yes and no. If you wanna get really technical, ALL education is indoctrination. But when it's fairly widely agreed upon that a private school education is better quality in every measurable way than a public school education... then just how reliable and thorough is your indoctrination really going to be? Perhaps it depends a little more on the naiveté of the average student. And can a natural born idiot really be anything else? Probably not.

#3 and #6, Voting is an act of violence; Authority is an illusion. Maybe these are backwards. It might be more accurate to say that "Voting is an illusion." You see, our system of government is based on the ages old Roman one. Back then, senators were not elected by the people. They were high born folks with wealth, almost always with fathers or grandfathers who were senators. It was a lordship in everything but name. And these select people voted for the chancellor or president. "The Roman senate represents the people!" Uhkay... HOW? And fast-forward 2000 years... shit hasn't changed at all. YOU... are a lowly fuckin' bum. We don't allow YOU PEOPLE to vote for someone as important and prestigious as the president. You vote for a faceless nameless "electorate".... meh, bullshit, let's call it what it really is. Your vote is thrown away, it's a waste of a day, it's a wasted effort, it DOES NOT MATTER.

Furthermore, "Authority is an act of violence." The threat of force and violence is what motivates anyone. We're taught that peaceful protest is the way to get things done. We're shown examples of it like Martin Luther King Jr. But what you're not shown at the same time is all the OTHER race riots where he wasn't there. If you really want the government to notice you and take pause with the crooked shit they're doing... threaten to fucking kill them. Burn their shit down. Kick and beat on their doors with huge crowds holding torches. Violence is not the solution? Bullshit. Violence is the ONLY thing these people understand.

#7 Cops are gang members. Very true. But consider the whole system to be part of that gang as well. Consider the system of doing things in Italy for many centuries. Machiavelli, la cosa nostra. Is it any different from what a formal official government does? A rhetorical question... NO, there is no difference. The only difference between the mobster and the mayor is... circumstance. Both have equal opportunity to be benevolent or corrupt. The real difference is only ONE of them is unfortunate enough to get charged under the RICO statute when they get caught. And that really is a fucking shame if you ask me. With mobsters, you know where they stand. They'll put you in the trunk, drive you to the middle of nowhere, kneel you down, and blow the back of your head off. They're wolves. With mayors and government officials,... they pretend they don't ever cross over into that territory with their actions, you BELIEVE they don't and won't. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. Which is worse? At least the mobster is honest about what he does.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 12, 2018, 01:53:26 AM
Dear Anarchobabe,

I'd like to address your points.

Furthermore, "Authority is an act of violence. If you really want the government to notice you and take pause with the crooked shit they're doing... threaten to fucking kill them. Burn their shit down. Kick and beat on their doors with huge crowds holding torches. Violence is not the solution? Bullshit. Violence is the ONLY thing these people understand.


well, it looks like you are in agreement with her basic points for the most part. believe me , this woman is a warrior, she had run ins with the police and she is fierce. sometimes she needs ppl to calm her down because she gets so passionate ( or emotional) she really wants everyone to have maximum freedom. you could debate her on her facebook page but be warned.  i'm sure she would not be like martin luther king for very long if the Shtf.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 12, 2018, 05:19:18 AM
"...if you want to date an anarchist woman."

Who the fuck would want to do that? Everything would be her looking for a reason to get offended about a situation so she could blame the state. She'd be in a perpetual bitchy mood. No thanks. Regular women are already bitchy enough.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on December 12, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
"...if you want to date an anarchist woman."
 Regular women are already bitchy enough.

i don't disagree, you'd have to be right to break up with a piece of ass like that.

https://people.com/tv/pete-davidson-blocked-ariana-grande/

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/g5qU7p7yOY8/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 12, 2018, 02:19:14 PM
Stanford University Institutional Review Board:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuJvOVIXgAEVxh1.jpg)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 12, 2018, 02:49:56 PM
Okay. Alright. Now... I'm starting to wonder if this like a big elaborate reality show comedy sketch. There's no way "educated" people can be this stupid.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Punk_FAS on December 12, 2018, 06:04:01 PM
Stanford University Institutional Review Board:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuJvOVIXgAEVxh1.jpg)
WOW...

What is the exact context of this? Who are the people being shielded from having to debate someone else that has an opposing political view to theirs?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on December 12, 2018, 06:30:21 PM
It's almost not surprising anymore.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on December 12, 2018, 07:16:30 PM
Snowflakes melt when the heat is turned on.  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 12, 2018, 10:08:10 PM
What is the exact context of this? Who are the people being shielded from having to debate someone else that has an opposing political view to theirs?

In this particular case (https://twitter.com/dbroockman/status/1072541978020245504), it's feedback from the review board who are at this stage determining how much scrutiny a proposed academic study must at a minimum undergo before it has a chance of being approved.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuLN_7PWkAAxU10.jpg)

But in the era of 'microaggressions' all the sensitivity dials of the bureaucratic machinery have been turned up past eleven for maximum ass-covering.

As one commenter in the thread puts it: The IRB concept was created to avoid people being used as guinea pigs for drugs etc. as a response to Nazi experiments. It wasn’t created to protect people from the “risks of solving puzzles or playing online games”.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 13, 2018, 02:03:45 PM
The IRB concept was created to avoid people being used as guinea pigs for drugs...

They still do that though. Opt-in AIDS and cancer patients. And... pretty much everyone else taking a prescription compound that's been on the market less than 15 years. Clinical trials aren't as thorough as they should be. And these companies argue that while they wait for testing, people are dying. But that's because they don't wanna come right out and say, WE'RE MISSING OUT ON PROFITS! They've already assumed the drug will kill people... or maybe they KNOW it will. They've done the math and figured out that their profits will exceed their liability.

Kinda scares me about getting old. Used to, I had to worry about my family history of heart disease. My old man had a heart attack years ago, and some blood thinner or cholesterol pill they prescribed came closer to killing him with permanent liver damage than the 90% blockage he had that required a 3 or 4 different bypasses, angioplasty and stints. Even now, if he eats certain kinds of food that requires heavy liver processing, his liver hurts him for hours at a time like someone is stabbing him. Pretty sure there's a class action suit against that drug now. He's not in on it because... nobody is gonna get paid jack shit unless they're dead. He's not. He's just feels like he's GONNA BE every time eats too much cheese.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 15, 2018, 10:09:31 AM
Woe unto you whose tech terminology abbreviates to a sequence of letters.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuWvVgEVAAA8DLx.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on December 27, 2018, 06:40:37 AM
https://www.kusi.com/california-ranked-as-the-least-educated-state-in-the-country/?fbclid=IwAR3unuNdY530YafDKnFSP-IXlnqgaI0e3WwPVz6-epcK0Vvdd7Qs5jI6aQM

I've never heard of this news source, but they said it came from the census bureau.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 27, 2018, 01:19:18 PM
I've never heard of this news source, but they said it came from the census bureau.

KUSI is an independent TV station in San Diego; been around since the early 80's. (Don't know their political leanings, haven't watched TV news in ages.)

Mildly surprised at the "least educated" metric for California. Rather figured we'd be #1 for highest population of "least-useful-degree holders" (e.g. gender studies; etc.)

:dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 29, 2018, 03:55:11 PM
Vape store cashier in Georgia reduced to loud screeching fit over customer's pro-Trump attire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzYTtsdic0A
https://www.youtube.com/v/kzYTtsdic0A

:sarcastic:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 29, 2018, 04:18:13 PM
Personally, I think EVERYONE in that video is a dumbass. Not because they're screaming. Not because they're wearing a Trump shirt, and not because they're just standing there BEING A BLACK PERSON. They're dumbasses.... because they're in a fucking vape store. Go smoke a real cigarette, you fruity raspberry cotton candy puffing pussies.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on December 29, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
I think I've mentioned recently my belief that the government is beholden to corporations now, and we've basically become a democracy of commercial corporations and no longer a democracy of the people. (as in Walmart and Whole Foods and Foot Locker get to vote for the REAL shit that happens, not YOU) I somehow stumbled across a 10 year old post from the Bush depression period... kinda eerie how right my prediction was.



Appears to me as though we are entering an era in which corporations will assume the role of government, something which was supposed to be prevented by anti-trust laws. Keeping these giant corporations fat, happy, and afloat will be the primary economic goal. All other economic problems (including the economic woes of the masses of middle-class) will be subordinate to those interests.

It's my opinion that this recent social attitude adjustment towards the championing of diversity is a marketing move and a corporate trend. Who started it is unclear, but as it usually occurs, once one starts doing it, the others catch on soon after to stay relevant and competitive. I'm not saying diversity is bad. I'm not saying exclusion and discrimination is okay. I'm just saying the corporate attitude towards "loving diversity" is phony and for the purposes of emotional manipulation, and THAT makes it bad. It is my opinion that they attempt to gain favor of consumers by adopting this position and attitude, which minorities apparently believe is REAL, and they in turn reward the company by buying their product. Essentially, "We support diversity" is nothing more than a marketing technique. Meanwhile, THEY KNOW they have mountains of marketing research data indicating their average age, sex, and race demographic. Clearly their bread gets buttered in one area more than another. But if someone has money ready to spend... it doesn't matter what their age, sex or race is.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 29, 2018, 06:18:34 PM
It's my opinion that this recent social attitude adjustment towards the championing of diversity is a marketing move and a corporate trend.

Agreed the corps. have glommed onto this for their own cynically exploitative reasons; though the ideological trend seems to have decades-old origins.

The following 'tweet' jumps into the middle of a thread exploring why payment companies (Patreon, Stripe, PayPal, MasterCard, etc.) have been observed to be acting in concert to shut down counter-narrative sites and content creators:

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1078397471141842945 (may take some amount of scrolling to find the beginning)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvc8wsyU0AA6iDY.jpg:large)

(Note that Robert Spencer—not to be confused with Richard Spencer—runs a site documenting Islamic extremism (https://www.jihadwatch.org/).)


Patreon has been acting particularly strangely lately, banning creators who they on the one hand concede didn't break their Terms of Service, but on the other hand they keep alluding to "extra layers" that must be taken into account, for Patreon to participate in the Global Payment Network:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7hvZee-PQ
https://www.youtube.com/v/Hv7hvZee-PQ

(etc.)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on December 31, 2018, 10:34:11 AM
Thread detailing the SPLC's role in recent ideological deplatformings:

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1079146042350858241

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvnlgIKX0AIbFgi.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 02, 2019, 06:40:21 PM
Interesting when someone from the U.K. can articulate a defense of the U.S. first constitutional amendment, better than presumably 99% of our own electorate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uz19w7tf1U
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 06, 2019, 02:46:44 PM
University Professor: There are no significant biological differences between races or genders. Everyone was interchangeable right up until European white supremacist patriarchal culture established a prevailing narrative that socially constructed whatever differences are perceived today.

(Or something like that.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxOZM_DGbFQ&t=8

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on January 16, 2019, 05:41:56 AM
White privilege backfire  :lolsign: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZodKoDt9c
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 16, 2019, 12:57:24 PM
She made the assumption he was white. He should've made the assumption that she was blonde.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on January 19, 2019, 11:55:12 AM
https://twitter.com/TomiKazi/status/1086333988468273153

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2WeWgcSMk

That "canoe" meeting about 20 minutes in felt like leaked footage from a Scientology retreat.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: |iR|Focalor on January 19, 2019, 05:31:20 PM
What a bunch of douchebags. I'd rather stub my barefooted toe on a brick stair step and rip half my toenail off than hang out with any of those lame fuckers for any length of time. What a bunch of lame fucking whiney buzzkills. Ugh. Get the fuck away!

Yeah, Iron Curtain dude hit the nail on the head. These fucking morons don't realize that FORCED diversity (rather than genuine diversity), white shaming, etc, just helps push more white folks away and some instead move closer towards attitudes of racism BECAUSE of this social movement bullshit.

God, I sure did like the late 90's. Racism came to the forefront in the Rodney King thing, people went fucking nuts and burned down half of LA and Atlanta, and then we finally got some god damned justice when they re-tried those pieces of shit and found them guilty. But on the whole, by the late 90's, open and obvious racism was totally uncool and unacceptable. It looked for a while like maybe we were heading towards a place where color honestly didn't matter and was never even talked about anymore,... and I kinda THOUGHT that was the goal of civil rights, for everyone to be equal and color to be a non-issue.  But I guess... color MUST matter for some people. And it's really fuckin' peculiar to me that these people who insist on talking about how people are not color blind... are the only ones bringing up the subject of color to begin with.

And I guess this is where white people get pushed back into racist sentiments and attitudes. Because it's my opinion that this movement is largely driven by those who wish to see the institution of racist policies against whites as a "fuck you" for all the shit they've read in history books about whites concerning slavery and native americans. But... I guess that's just my racism talking. ::)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 01, 2019, 11:33:29 AM
https://twitter.com/KalebPrime/status/1091323936200159232

https://twitter.com/KalebPrime/status/1091324609138475008

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 03, 2019, 06:02:08 AM
TSA employee reported dead after apparent suicide at Orlando International Airport
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2019/02/02/police-investigating-incident-orlando-international-airport/2753522002/

This will somehow be Trump's fault.  :raincloud:

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 06, 2019, 08:13:10 PM
This isn't political but the media has been obsessed with the cross that washed up in FL. It's a sign, an omen, whatever. It's actually a memorial erected for a dude passed away lost at sea from my hometown. You heard it here before the media knows.

How about the State of the Union address? What do y'all think about banning 3rd term abortions?

I'll go ahead and point out that I've been directly involved in multiple abortions, and multiple miscarriages. I know many of y'all have too. The latter altered my opinion a bit. I'm pro choice and pro liberty, but abortion is a really weird issue. The logistics behind banning 3rd trimester abortions seem impossible, but damn is it fucked up. Why can't the Democrats admit that at least?
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 08, 2019, 05:32:51 PM
I'm pro choice and pro liberty, but abortion is a really weird issue. The logistics behind banning 3rd trimester abortions seem impossible, but damn is it fucked up. Why can't the Democrats admit that at least?

It seems there are entrenched ideological viewpoints pushing folks to opposite extremes. And neither extreme appears sane to me.

On the 'early' extreme, some folk won't conscience aborting even a three-day-old embryo (about 150 cells.)

On the 'late' extreme, some folk push a "my body, my choice" stance right up to the moment of birth.

The one position I believe to be compatible with neurological development over time, is that our concerns should generally scale with the capacity of an organism to have experiences.

There's no reason to believe a cluster of 150 cells can have experiences. (The brain of a fly has about 100,000 cells.[1])

But at the other extreme, there's no reason to pretend the geographical location of a womb somehow acts as a shield from the 100% human rights that would be granted to a baby on the verge of being born, if it could only be teleported a dozen inches on a vector that places it geographically outside the womb. (How does the biology of a womb act as a magic rights-inhibiting enclosure?)

Once we accept that our concern for an organism should generally scale with its capacity to have experiences, we're still left with the marginal cases, where extenuating circumstances alter the moral or ethical baselines. An oft-cited example being where the health of the mother is in jeopardy; or for example when something has gone so horribly wrong during development that the only compassionate future for some malformed fetus would be either its destruction or its preservation in a jar of formaldehyde.

It's always going to be a hard problem. But the extremists on either end aren't helping.


[1] I think, civilizationally, we're at a point where it would be unseemly to pull off the fly's wings with the intent of causing it suffering; but we have no qualms with ending a pest with a quick swat.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Punk_FAS on February 08, 2019, 09:31:02 PM
But at the other extreme, there's no reason to pretend the geographical location of a womb somehow acts as a shield from the 100% human rights that would be granted to a baby on the verge of being born, if it could only be teleported a dozen inches on a vector that places it geographically outside the womb. (How does the biology of a womb act as a magic rights-inhibiting enclosure?)
It's a rights tug-of-war. Whose rights supersedes the other's? Obviously pregnancy is a one-of-a-kind situation, with nothing exactly matching it, but where else does any human, regardless of age, have rights to sap any portion of the life of another human, without that other human's explicit consent? I believe a woman should be able to have a fetus removed from herself at any point in a pregnancy. If the fetus is not-viable at that time, and would die anyway outside the womb, I suppose there's no reason to object to its termination prior to removal, instead of allowing it to occur 'naturally' after an intact removal.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 08, 2019, 10:51:24 PM
I believe a woman should be able to have a fetus removed from herself at any point in a pregnancy.

On a principle of individual bodily autonomy, I'm forced to agree.

(Nevertheless; I'd assert our concern for the separate organism should scale along with its capability for having experiences.)


Obviously pregnancy is a one-of-a-kind situation, with nothing exactly matching it

Possible quibble here: Pregnancy is the one thing we all have in common; dating back in an unbroken lineage millions of years.


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 14, 2019, 10:27:51 AM
Perhaps interesting breakdown of the proposed "Border wall bill":

https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1095917405925244929

Unrolled thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1095917405925244929.html


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 14, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
It looks like a screwed up deal (if you are on Trump's side).  This whole situation is based on having ammo to use against Trump for 2020.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Punk_FAS on February 15, 2019, 10:24:18 PM
It looks like a screwed up deal (if you are on Trump's side).  This whole situation is based on having ammo to use against Trump for 2020.

I think the 'whole situation' is based on Trump making a poorly considered campaign promise when he ran in 2016 (to build the wall, and to have Mexico pay for it), effectively digging himself a hole, and him being completely and totally willing to bury everyone else in the process of trying to get out of that hole. He can't concede that the wall isn't the most efficient way (dollars wise) to address illegal immigration issues, he can't concede that it won't be worth the investment. He's going to do anything and everything in his considerable power to avoid a situation where someone can hold something against him in 2020, whether it harms the country in the process or not. He must maintain the appearance that he's never wavered on his intentions to build the wall, and that it's always been the best idea ever for the immigration 'emergency'.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 15, 2019, 11:46:53 PM
I think the 'whole situation' is based on Trump making a poorly considered campaign promise when he ran in 2016 (to build the wall, and to have Mexico pay for it), effectively digging himself a hole

Anybody trying to hold Trump literally to the details, is the mirror-image of those now trying to pin down Ocasio-Cortez on the details of her trillion-dollar expansionist policies.

They're both about directions, not details.

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 16, 2019, 02:46:26 PM
They're both about directions, not details.

I suppose what I mean is: "A big, beautiful wall" is good visual persuasion. But if the ultimate goal is securing the border, it's really up to the engineers and experts to determine which structures work best on which terrain, and are most cost-effective; etc.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I always figured the "…and Mexico is going to pay for it!" for a laugh line during his campaign. I mean, it was pretty funny.

But in any case, I haven't yet heard a reasonable argument against improving border security.

Here's Chuck Schumer making Trump's case for him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAyn89hFIo



:dohdohdoh:


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 17, 2019, 07:58:04 PM
Agree with everything above.  :oksign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 18, 2019, 06:50:12 AM
Thank you for posting the Schumer video, because that is exactly what I was talking about.

Schumer was all for what Trump has been saying, but now that it is Trump these ideas are racist & immoral.

It is about making Trump fail on a campaign promise and using that against him in 2020.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 18, 2019, 07:06:48 AM
Another reason for better border security - 6 illegal immigrants linked to Mexican cartel arrested in NC for drug trafficking operation
https://www.foxnews.com/us/6-illegal-immigrants-arrested-in-nc-for-drug-trafficking-operation-officials-say
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 18, 2019, 07:11:01 AM
Here is another story where it would have been best to let the story develop before rushing to judgement.

Cory Booker 'withholding' judgment on Smollett case after calling it 'attempted modern-day lynching'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cory-booker-withholding-judgment-on-smollett-case-after-calling-it-attempted-modern-day-lynching

I am not sure what happened, but some of the initial story lines, seem to be falling apart.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: QwazyWabbit on February 18, 2019, 03:12:38 PM
Here is another story where it would have been best to let the story develop before rushing to judgement.

Cory Booker 'withholding' judgment on Smollett case after calling it 'attempted modern-day lynching'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cory-booker-withholding-judgment-on-smollett-case-after-calling-it-attempted-modern-day-lynching

I am not sure what happened, but some of the initial story lines, seem to be falling apart.

Smollett is openly gay. He alleged he was beaten up by two men and it was being investigated as a hate crime. Police are now saying it appears they were known to him and apparently one of them was actually once on the same show as Smollett. Implication is that the attack was staged or possibly just an argument between people that knew each other and not a hate crime.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 19, 2019, 12:14:20 PM
Spotted on a bus stop near Fox Studios in Century City:

(https://i2.wp.com/therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/jussiesmollett_blackprankster.jpg)


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 20, 2019, 10:30:18 AM
Police are now saying it appears they were known to him and apparently one of them was actually once on the same show as Smollett. Implication is that the attack was staged or possibly just an argument between people that knew each other and not a hate crime.

It's being reported that even the crude "racist letter" Smollett received a week prior to the now-apparently-staged attack, was also his own doing:

Jussie Smollett Was Involved In Creating Racist Letter, Which [Preceded] Attack, Sources Say (https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02/19/jessie-smollett-letter-brothers-attack/)

(https://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/jussie-smollet-untagged-tgj.jpg)


Of course, media and celebrities immediately blamed the attack on Trump, when it was initially reported:

https://www.mediaite.com/online/did-the-media-jump-the-gun-on-the-jussie-smollett-story/


Perhaps interestingly, a lengthy thread of similar self-perpetrated recent faux hate crimes:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1097020092791934976


As someone wrote in a youtube comment thread the other day:

"The demand for Nazis is greater than the supply."


:ugly_08:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 20, 2019, 03:48:19 PM
Oopsie-doopsie.

https://twitter.com/CharlieDeMar/status/1098335299829145600

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1098346213601091586

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 21, 2019, 04:36:31 AM
If guilty  :evilgrin:

I hope he gets enough punishment to deter others from making a bogus claim.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on February 21, 2019, 09:45:13 AM
Paid by check??  :dohdohdoh:

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1098608179720663040

Someone asked if the brothers now need to file a 1099.  ;)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 22, 2019, 05:00:16 AM
I have a bunch of smarter leftist friends, but are definitely on the lefty bandwagon. :yuck:

I've been waiting for them to speak on this matter. Last night (coincidentally the most hardcore lefty of them all) one said:

"Unfollowing Jussie on insta  :-\ "

 :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: 2d on February 22, 2019, 08:32:06 PM
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/robert-kraft-soliciting-florida-prostitution-sting.html

New England Patriots Owner Robert Kraft Charged With Soliciting Sex in Florida Prostitution Sting


https://www.youtube.com/v/HvNsNiY5V8g


R O F L

I dont get it. Why would this dumb fucking billionaire go out to these spa's when he could just buy a million hookers and have them brought to his home or party. Im thinking that this was his way to feel normal, to feel some kind of danger or excitement, similiar to that of a cleptomaniac.

rofl in either case, robert kraft is the mothar of all donkeys, but im sure in the eyes of focalor, he is still one of the manliest of men.  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 23, 2019, 06:18:47 AM
The poor man just needed some help - his balls were deflated  :lolsign:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on February 23, 2019, 06:58:10 PM
Hundreds of men were busted. I saw Sgt Dick's mug for Indian River county. :badgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on February 24, 2019, 06:08:12 AM
My balls were over-inflated and needed a release  :rocketright:

This guy has some splaining to do - https://www.floridatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2019/02/23/johnny-delprete-jessica-korda-arrested-soliciting-prostitution-florida-sex-sting/39104085/
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 01, 2019, 05:22:22 AM
I've spent a lot of time in martin, Indian River, and Brevard counties. A coworker of mine got a massage in Cocoa Beach by a foreigner that didn't speak much English. She tried to jerk him off by his story and kept saying "you big strong, you big strong!!" So his nickname became big strong. I wonder if Kraft was a regular there....
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 01, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywZVfrDTGxY  ;)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 01, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
The sitcom laughter was brutal.

How about that congresswoman taking about jihad? No, the real definition of jihad is [this], it's great. Just like communism in theory.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on March 02, 2019, 07:27:18 AM
I've spent a lot of time in martin, Indian River, and Brevard counties. A coworker of mine got a massage in Cocoa Beach by a foreigner that didn't speak much English. She tried to jerk him off by his story and kept saying "you big strong, you big strong!!" So his nickname became big strong. I wonder if Kraft was a regular there....

In Florida, we want to make your tourist visit a happy one. :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 15, 2019, 04:08:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1qVLlEXcAEpL3X.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 16, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
Let's not jump to conclusions here, I'm not sure whose dog that is. ;)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on March 18, 2019, 03:34:17 PM
The dog looks thrilled to be there.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 21, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
Seems odd today's adults are expected to apologize for edgy posts they made decades ago as 15-year-olds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmEALJqj7q0


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on March 21, 2019, 07:32:50 PM
If someone says they didn't do anything stupid or distasteful when they were in their teens, they are lying or a politician  :evilgrin:

Having the actions from your youth be a major factor in how you are viewed 20-30 years later is  :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 21, 2019, 10:49:23 PM
When this website is discovered I'm screwed when I run for office.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on March 22, 2019, 04:59:17 AM
It would interesting to see how "Hollywood" would react to your campaign  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 22, 2019, 08:01:59 AM
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1108854573270253568

 :dohdohdoh:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 24, 2019, 10:18:01 AM
This "classic" from 1999 has since been cited in over 100 subsequent sociology papers (per Google scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=16768387556061240534&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en) search.)

https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/1109812724014477313

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 24, 2019, 05:26:24 PM
Was frankly amazed this video had been created nearly two years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw2BVI9OhC4


Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 24, 2019, 06:45:30 PM
Haha. Wow @ 2 years ago. I wonder when the left is going to figure shit out. It's almost like they're trump supporters.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 26, 2019, 05:14:43 PM
And this is exactly what I meant above. Jussie smollet being cleared of all charges just helped Trump 2020.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 26, 2019, 07:35:44 PM
https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1110599110145593345
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 27, 2019, 10:23:52 AM
hahaha, he even worked in a Dr. Strangelove reference

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1110652393488826375

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on March 27, 2019, 04:36:04 PM
i don't know how nobody noticed this anamoly in congress. nobody speaking about her on this board which is suprising. the previous generation is quite ignorant. didn't bother me when she spoke about climate change and ridding all planes and cars. nobody pays attention and looks like lip service. when she talks about gun control that's when someone has to speak up.



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: TrixieMoo on March 28, 2019, 11:10:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/DRekiew.jpg)


NOW, YOU ARE THE NEWS

"If the Russia collusion hoax taught us one thing, it’s this: journalism is dead in this country."

"I’m talking about the mainstream corporate media. You know, like the once-revered New York Times, which was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for its ‘reporting’ Russian Collusion. It was nothing but Hillary’s ‘insurance policy.’ She started the lie to bring down Trump and the Times faithfully helped her. Don’t expect them to give back their prize. They still haven’t given back the Pulitzer won by their reporter, Walter Duranty, who wrote glowing reports about Stalin’s Soviet Union. All lies, but socialism is always good in such circles."

"We’ve long known that those on the left dominate journalism, but at least they occasionally maintained the façade of objectivity and fairness. Not any more. Trump exposed them for what they really are: partisan hacks and liars."

"It’s now time to go after those who broke the law to illegally spy and dig dirt up on Trump. Hillary needs to be locked up. There must be consequences so this never happens again to future Presidents.  I expect the fake news media to ignore, excuse, or cover up for Hillary and the Deep State crooks."

"We must hold them accountable."  :busted:

—Ben Garrison
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 28, 2019, 03:36:06 PM
hahaha, he even worked in a Dr. Strangelove reference

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1110652393488826375

It was pretty funny. Check out Anderson Cooper's reply to it.

https://youtu.be/z_KM9plQiNE
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on March 28, 2019, 06:00:25 PM
It was pretty funny. Check out Anderson Cooper's reply to it.

It's becoming weird to watch individuals with a talent for reading prepared texts. :dohdohdoh:

Reminded me of mathematician Eric Weinstein's "Four Quadrant Model"

https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/four-quadrant-model-eric-weinstein/

"The Four Quadrant Model is a tool used to examine how the media upholds the status quo by stigmatizing people who hold views that challenge it and portray them as prejudiced or intolerant. […] Once the pattern is seen, however, it cannot be unseen, […] realizing that you have been repeatedly controlled by a single trick tying your virtue to a thwarting of your own interests"

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on March 28, 2019, 10:08:10 PM
Yeah, that describes it. The last time I checked, wasn't Anderson Cooper supposed to be one of those 1-2 guys that each network has that exemplifies integrity in journalism?

  :alien:
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on March 29, 2019, 12:32:03 PM
https://neonnettle.com/news/6889-ocasio-cortez-calls-for-gun-ban-in-america-champions-government-confiscation (https://neonnettle.com/news/6889-ocasio-cortez-calls-for-gun-ban-in-america-champions-government-confiscation)
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 01, 2019, 06:26:19 PM
http://mobile.dudasite.com/site/ocracokecurrent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ocracokecurrent.com%2F&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F#2899

It's about damn time.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 06, 2019, 02:16:42 AM
Broken link above, I meant the one where Trump pardons black beard. (April 1st)

We've all known that Joe Biden is a touchy-feely guy. I've seen the videos for years. It could be far worse, but if it was my daughter I'd have an entirely different opinion on it. The real question is why now? The media just turned Biden from everyone's favorite uncle to a pervert in a day.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 11, 2019, 05:42:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3R545aWwAA6GV4.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: haunted on April 11, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
Ain't nothing wrong with being over the line of permissable - AOC  :bananaw00t:

The diagram is spot on.
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 17, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
"Librarians for Book Burning"

https://twitter.com/LibraryJournal/status/1118232615847329802


https://twitter.com/daisyroisin/status/1118312595897950209

Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: R. Hayabusa on April 17, 2019, 11:00:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw5OEYHJPYU
Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: quadz on April 27, 2019, 01:03:58 PM
Includes some footage from the Evergreen college meltdown I hadn't seen yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vyBLCqyUes



Title: Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
Post by: Sgt. Dick on May 05, 2019, 07:03:16 AM
Stacey Abrams again claims she won Georgia governor’s race: ‘I’m not' a good sport
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stacey-abrams-again-claims-she-won-georgia-governors-race-im-not-a-good-sport

Some good quotes -

"I'm here to tell you a secret that makes Breitbart and [Fox News host] Tucker Carlson go crazy: We won,” Abrams said, according to The Houston Chronicle. “I am not delusional. I know I am not the governor of Georgia -- possibly yet."  :dohdohdoh:

"we don’t have to concede elections anymore, because when we concede, we are condoning systems that are used to oppress us."  :dohdohdoh:

"I did win my election. I just didn't get to have the job."  :dohdohdoh: