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Politics / Re: another terrorist attack

« on: July 25, 2008, 11:10:20 PM »

L.A. doesn't have sanctuary status... yet... but LAPD has Special Order 40 originally written by Chief Daryl Gates in 1979 which prohibits LAPD officers from "Initiate(ing) police action with the objective of discovering the alien status of a person."

and...

"Officers shall not arrest nor book persons for violation of Title 8, Section 1325 of the United States Immigration Code (Illegal Entry)."

This has been interpreted by various liberal organizations (ACLU among them) as being a "don't ask, don't tell" policy and in their interpretation it is a prohibition against asking.

http://keepstuff.homestead.com/Spec40orig.html

However, as you will see in the order if you follow the link, LAPD upon arresting a person for other misdemeanors or felonies may gain knowledge of the undocumented alien status of a person and they SHALL report it to LAPD detective division who SHALL notify INS (now ICE) of the undocumented status of the arrestee.

The original intent of the order was supposed to reassure VICTIMS of crimes that they wouldn't be arrested for being undocumented when dealing with police and reporting crimes. Unfortunately, the language of the order has been misinterpreted and twisted to allow undocumented alien criminals to escape deportation.

There is a catch.
Even when reported as UA's, ICE may not come get them and deport them. They end up serving their time in jail or making bail and they are back on the streets.

If ICE does come and deport them, that may not be a good thing. The UA will be deported and released in his own country and he is free to come right back, just as illegally as he did in the first place, committing more crimes here in the US as well as his own country. A virtual revolving door policy.

One would hope that if the crimes are bad enough the courts will put him away for a very long time. Then he ends up contacting his government who tries to get him deported and released. Or worse, he gets his country to get the World Court to order the state to "protect his rights" as in the case of Texas vs Jose Medellin, convicted rapist and murderer.

So we have a States Rights vs Federal Rights problem. Should Federal law prevail and we do the revolving door and/or deport convicted rapists on death row so they can repeat their offenses in their native countries or even re-enter and repeat their crimes here? Or should local/state governments be allowed to act without respect for Federal law and keep UA's in jail for their crimes and even execute them?
If the latter, you have San Francisco, creating "sanctuary" for these types.
If the latter, you have Texas, telling the US government and Mexico and the World Court to piss off, Medellin is going to die. The sword cuts both ways.

One would reason that a felony conviction would supercede a federal statute like T8, S1325; giving the state the right to incarcerate or execute the felon according to state law. But that's just too logical.

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Politics / Re: another terrorist attack

« on: July 23, 2008, 06:34:10 PM »

It's interesting that when you answer them all correctly (12/12) it scores you 97%. Apparently math isn't on PEW's quiz.
Yes, you get the same questions in the same order each time. No pool.

It needs another question: Who is Speaker of the House?
A. Nancy Pelosi
B. Rush Limbaugh
C. Dick Cheney
D. Dick Durban

Correct answer: A, Nancy Pelosi first woman speaker and 2 heartbeats away from President of the United States. 8th district of California, covering 80% of San Francisco.

Scary, isn't it?

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Politics / Re: another terrorist attack

« on: July 23, 2008, 02:15:31 PM »

76%, 9 for 12.

No wall hacks. 

I have not been following the US soldier body count.
I don't follow the DJIA but I follow the stocks I own.
I can't tell the Serbs from the Croats and I am not in Europe.

Why am I not surprised the 18-29 group only averages 30%?

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Jokes / Re: Nerd Humor.. har har

« on: July 20, 2008, 07:46:51 AM »

Man, that takes me back. I coveted a Cromemco when I was in college. Now I am glad I couldn't afford one at the time. Somewhere in my attic I have an Imsai front panel from the good old S-100 days. I have some nice Z80 microcomputers on STD Bus cards too. They were a lot better.

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Bot Drop / Re: Failed file check

« on: July 20, 2008, 07:38:25 AM »

A better course of action might be to send them in to the admins for evaluation and addition to the approved files list for the server in question.

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Bot Drop / Re: Failed file check

« on: July 19, 2008, 03:36:25 PM »

I think the intent of the file checks is to identify the files that are "not approved" for the particular server. They may be common files on other servers or mods. The approved list is not all-encompassing. It also means the player in question is using files of the same name and path of the "approved" files but they are not identical. This can be true for files in customized paks on the server or on the client. The server could have customized files and the player could be using "vanilla" files. Only by checking them can you actually know which case it is. The vanilla files should have been on the approved list for the server but sometimes things can be missed.

WAV files can be used to time respawns of powerups and give the player useful information about when a powerup is close to respawning. If he is consistently close to the powerup when it respawns this is a clue that he may be using them.

I believe the MD5 hash of the failed file on the client is logged in the server anticheat log. The system admin should be reviewing those logs, identifying the files and getting copies of those failed files and checking their MD5 hashes against the logged events. Once the file is identified this way it can be determined if it is a "cheat" in the context of that particular server or not. If the file is a cheat, it can be added to the "not-approved" list and the automation can kick the player in response, but that is an admin configuration choice for the particular server.

I should also mention that the best source for the questionable files is the player identified with them. If the player is reluctant to provide them for review, it may be wise to set the server to ban those questionable files and kick the player(s) in question.

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: July 16, 2008, 08:13:00 PM »

To say the laws of nature arise out of chaos without a Creator is to say entropy can be reversed and matter arises from nothing, assembles itself into complex structures and then spends the rest of eternity in decay.

This seems to be stated somewhat in the manner of a False Dilemma.  We've already discovered and observed processes and laws by which matter does indeed assemble itself into complex structures.  So we're left pondering the cause of the Big Bang.  Even if entropy were violated, why make the leap to positing something as complex as a Creator?  (A creator who by definition should be complex enough to ponder the question of its own origins?)

As Bertrand Russell said so succinctly, "If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument."

Can the universe create itself? Is then the universe not God?

The semantics here seem murky.  Why not instead ask if the universe is just some kind of weird entropy-violating perpetual motion machine?  Why bring "God" into it by default?  Are there NO other possibilities?


[1] Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer, Princeton University Press, 1999, p. 97

I brought up Einstein to illustrate the folly of setting up Hawking as the smartest guy of his time as an authority on the existence or non-existence of God. No one can "prove" god, it's folly to attempt it. Decartes was another example and the best he could do was the "I think, therefor I am." postulate. Isn't it interesting that in the mythical story of Moses on the mountain receiving the Ten Commandments when he asked God his name the reply was "I am that I am."

False dilemma? I don't think so. The observable universe always runs toward increasing entropy but then again there is a lot of unobserved universe out there. As far as increasing complexity is concerned, these are processes where entropy is decreased in one locality at the expense of an increase of entropy in another. My main point was that the human brain inescapably ascribes a prime mover to every effect. The dilemma is how to escape the trap.

Bertrand Russell was a self-confessed atheist and an excellent writer.

Einstein may never have accepted a personal God but he was still confined by his childhood social programming enough to say "God doesn't play dice..." and to speak in public as a believer in some kind of God. This is what I was trying to illustrate about mankind's inability to escape from the concepts of alpha-omega and a prime mover.

Name something that doesn't have a cause? We can't escape it. We even have to say the "cause" of the universe was the big bang. The end of the universe is the big crunch. Einstein tried and failed to describe an eternal universe. But this all still leaves the question unanswered about the certainty of the fundamental nature of it.

You didn't honestly answer the two questions, but they were largely rhetorical. I wanted to see if anyone would fall into the trap of explaining a self-creating universe or a Pantheism.

A weird entropy-violating perpetual motion machine? Weirdness is "the unexplained", this doesn't satisfy the requirements of the TOE whose goal it is to explain everything. To accept "weirdness" as an explanation is to cop out of the whole discussion.

No other possibilities? I never said there were no other possibilities, I only posed questions.

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: July 15, 2008, 08:18:33 PM »

Yawn.

Einstein was Jewish and was considered the smartest man alive in his time. He regarded mathematics as the key to understanding the fundamental design of the universe. His famous phrase, "God does not play dice with the world [universe]" was his counter-argument to Max Planck's quantum mechanics. He said this even though Einstein's own photoelectric effect and photon theory of light depended on it. The quest for the Grand Unification Theory (GUT) is a quest for that same kind of understanding. The theory about the Theory of Everything (TOE) is that it will be both elegant and beautiful in it's symmetry and simplicity. The idea that the universe could be explained and understood and that the laws of physics would exist without a Creator was completely foreign to their minds.

Today we know Einstein's theories of Special and General Relativity are correct and Planck's Quantum Mechanics are also correct and they both apply to every place in the universe as far as we can observe. To say the laws of nature arise out of chaos without a Creator is to say entropy can be reversed and matter arises from nothing, assembles itself into complex structures and then spends the rest of eternity in decay. Can the universe create itself? Is then the universe not God? The mind of man is nowhere near ready to encompass the questions, much less determine the answers.

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Politics / Re: Oil Refinery to be built in ND and oil supply

« on: July 15, 2008, 05:54:19 PM »

-- they remind me a lot of the tobacco company ads encouraging people to quit (after it became obvious they were going to loose their asses in court).  Spin games.

I think the tobacco companies were forced to produce or at least pay for those ads because they were ordered to do it by the courts as a result of the tobacco settlement agreements.

I have no love for my governor (Schwarzenegger) but for once he got it right when he rejected opening California up to offshore drilling and stated that we cannot drill our way out of this problem.

Yep. We allowed the big 3 to sell us what we wanted, big SUV's and spacious cars. Now Toyota has the lead in real hybrid technology because they were thinking ahead instead of about this months numbers. This is the difference between Japanese engineering and American/European engineering and marketing. They have a Zen of Design that permits them to refine a design and control that design even to the component level. GM launched a pilot program with the EV1 and pulled the plug on it even though the people who had them loved them. Now GM is fighting for its life and laying off workers and middle management (no surprise) wondering what went wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

Can't drill out. Can't catch up.

If you have $109,000 to spare you can buy a spiffy Tesla!
http://www.teslamotors.com/

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Politics / Re: america the beautiful

« on: July 14, 2008, 06:27:19 AM »

"[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

This doesn't refute my statement that you quoted though "They accept the teachings of judaism and christianity" The quran is full of 'allah doesn't look highly upon non-believers' bullshit. My point is that islam's entire foundation is based off judiac-christian teachings. Muhammad would preach that these were GOOD teachings, as long as it didn't conflict with his 'updated version of monotheism'.

I think it refutes it very well. It makes believers who take Christians and Jews as friends are no better than non-believers. It is license for the other believers to treat them all the same way - as dhimmi. It is the Muslim form of ex-communication.

"They accept the teachings of judaism and christianity" -- Yeah, right. That's why they want to destroy Israel and pray facing a pagan idol in Saudi Arabia. That's why they invaded Spain, destroyed the temples and churches, murdered the people and took the spoils back to Arabia. That's why they danced in the streets when news of 9/11 reached them, that's why they build and launch ballistic missiles at Jerusalem. Jerusalem was where David, Solomon and Jesus walked. Muhammad never went there except in a vision and it was a false vision to convince his followers that his prophethood was legitimate.

...as long as it didn't conflict with his 'updated version of monotheism'.

You mean the update that says, behead all non-believers and rape their wives and make their wives and children slaves unless they convert, or surrender and pay the jizya, or die? The one that says pray 50 times... no, make that 20 times, no... make that 15... make that 5 times a day to a black rock in the desert because I said so monotheism? I must have missed that memo.

The problem with Islam today is they have not yet had their internal schisms resolved. Sunni vs. Shiia vs. The World, the power grabbing Imam's like Khommeni and Muqtada who only want death and destruction for their legacy. Muslims need to rise up against the evil doctrine within their own religion and purge the evil Imams who preach hate and death and war. Until they have purged the hatred of Israel and the Jews they will be followers of the evil of the likes of Hitler. They worship darkness and death and an insane, evil prophet who was no better than today's Muqtada who only wanted power and authority over the people who followed him. If that isn't Satan's message, I don't know what is.

This guy wants your head:

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Politics / Re: america the beautiful

« on: July 13, 2008, 12:53:19 PM »

The only thing that's more hilarious than taking quotes from wikipedia is taking quotes from the new testament. Once I saw that I began to simply skim through your post. Muhammad is considered the final prophet/messenger from god in islam, jesus, abraham, moses etc are in this succession of messengers(or messiahs--hebrew for 'anointed ones'), chronologically increasing in their importance. They accept the teachings of judaism and christianity, however believe that in essence their reilgion is basically a 3rd version of monotheism with the addition of Muhammad's revelations, who is the final prophet from god who would be succeeded by no other messenger in islam. Perhaps you should do your research, (or maybe take western civ?), instead of getting your information from SILLY references such as the bible, or ANY religious text for that matter. Using that as proof in any kind of argument when there are hundreds of thousands of interpretations for it is ridiculous. 

The fact you skimmed it and offer no specific refutations on the points indicates you are more closed-minded than me.
You also are a victim of your own fuzzy thinking and your reference to the bible as silly indicates you have not read it.
I suspect you were indoctrinated early in life and never learned to think for yourself, which is a fundamental principle
in Islam since the Imams do the thinking for the faithful.

I took from Wiki because it's easy to copy-paste for your amusement but there were far more direct and referenced sources in there. Western Civilization... hmmmm Wiki is a product of Western Civilization therefore I take from it what I please.

...Muhammad's revelations, who is the final prophet from god ...

Yes, yes. There's always a "final" prophet isn't there. So God has sent Muhammad and given up on humanity and won't be sending any more prophets. Lovely thought.

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Politics / Re: america the beautiful

« on: July 13, 2008, 12:42:47 PM »

The only thing consistent across all the religions is the Golden Rule.
Confucius called it the Golden Mean.
Lao Tsu probably said it but I don't have a reference for it.
In Daoism one does no action that is forced, therefore if one is in the Dao one
cannot act upon another person unethically.
If Heinlein were writing it about Dao he would say,
"Grok is Dao, the Dao is to grok. Grok in fullness, act rightly at cusp."

“What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.” —Confucius (sixth century B.C.)  
“May I do to others as I would that they should do to me.” —Plato (fourth Century B.C.)  
“Do nothing to others which if done to you would cause you pain.” —Hinduism (third century B.C.)  
“What is hateful to yourself, do not do to your fellow man.” —Hillel (first century B.C.)  
“Whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them.” —Jesus of Nazareth (first century A.D.)  
“Treat others as you would be treated yourself.” —Sikhism (sixteenth century A.D.)  
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” —Judaism, Laws of Moses  

When you find it in the Quran, let me know.
Not in the hadith - the Quran.
If the Quran is the absolute word of Allah, when Allah says it, you can believe it.
But I don't think you will find it there.

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Politics / Re: america the beautiful

« on: July 13, 2008, 11:07:36 AM »

so, religion is a bunch of batshit lies
what else is new

My point was that those who believe in Islam are not all bad people, only a small percentage are fanatics
just like a small percentage of Christians are fanatics.

Calling them worshipers of Satan is just plain ignorant, you sound just like one of those Christian fanatics

I am far from a Christian fanatic.
I don't even consider myself to be religious and I also feel that more
harm than good has come to mankind over religion than any other cause.
But I have studied them all and I can see what I can see.
Whether you can accept that or not is your problem, not mine.

In your quest through life you should seek enlightenment and understanding.
Do not accept my word for these things.
Seek your own truth but do not be deceived by those who would do you harm.

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Politics / Re: america the beautiful

« on: July 13, 2008, 11:02:27 AM »

Oh haunted, you make it too easy. You also need to follow links when people post them.
Read. Become deep in your knowledge and know your topic before you engage in debate.

What I meant by my other post was...

The old testament is nothing like the Quran. Judaism is the only religion who does NOT 'spread the word' and they certainly have NEVER killed non-believers(obviously). The tanakh(OT) is a jewish text, therefore it's not the same as the quran, ESPEICALLY in the context you just put that in.

Under Judaism, God's covenant is with the Jews as the chosen people, of course they don't spread their religion because you are either born a Jew or you are not. The covenant is with you if you are born to it and it is not with you if you were born a pagan, Roman or Gentile. The new testament is about the fulfillment of the old covenant and the creation of a new covenant, that all people are of God and that they are "born again" into the new covenant. This is the fundamental meaning of being born again.

Matthew 17:9-13
 9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen from the dead.
 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come?
 11 And he answered and said, Elijah indeed cometh, and shall restore all things:
 12 but I say into you, that Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but did unto him whatsoever they would. Even so shall the Son of man also suffer of them.
 13 Then understood the disciples that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

John 3:1-7
 1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
 2 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him.
 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!
 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.

Islams do NOT believe that the word of god 'was corrupted by the jews and christians'. NOT TRUE. They accept the history and teachings of EACH, but simply believe them to be outdated, basically. Jesus is significant in Islam.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

They do not regard Muhammad as the founder of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets. Islamic tradition holds that Jews and Christians distorted the revelations God gave to these prophets by either altering the text, introducing a false interpretation, or both.[6]

The Qur'an and Sunnah both teach us emphatically and without any doubt that the Creator considers the statement of the Trinity to be a great falsehood. The Qur'an states (translation):

Sura[19:88-93] They say: "(Allah) the Most Merciful has begotten a son!" Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, that they should invoke a son for (Allah) the Most Merciful. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) the Most Merciful that He should beget a son: Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) the Most Merciful as a servant.

When is this true?

""kill infidels", lie, cheat, do whatever it takes to spread the law of Allah and if they don't accept it"

On lying:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271:
Narrated Jabir:

The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." 

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

Tabari 7:97  The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." 
Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam.  Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill.  An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

[3:85] And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Muslims believe: The Quran is the sacred book of the Muslims. It is the last book of guidance from Allah, sent down to Muhammad, peace be upon him, through the angel Jibraeel (Gabriel). Every word of it is the word of Allah.

009.029  Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Jizya is the head tax. Pay the tax and you get to keep your head.


I spent some time in Valleo, CA in 1998 and happened upon an "Internet Cafe". I wanted to see what one of these trendy places was like so I walked in. Lo and behold it's run by Muslims and has one computer, the PA system is playing some prayer in Arabic and there are 3 guys sitting around. The proprietor comes and offers a seat. I order something off the menu and iced tea. The order comes and he asks if I want to use the Internet. Sure, let's try it. They wheel the cart over to the table and turn on the computer. The ONLY thing on the computer was the Quran, in Arabic and English. That was all the browser would show. Nothing else. This is YOUR future under Islam.

So we have it: Muhammad advocates lies, takes his share of plunder, advocates rape and taking of women as slaves, conspires to commit murder, instigates war, promotes terrorist acts, kills Jews, pagans, Christians, any non-believers for the sake of promoting the spread of Islam.

You have three choices under Islam: Become Muslim and worship Allah; keep your religion, be subdued and pay Jizya; die in battle or be executed when captured.

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Politics / Re: america the beautiful

« on: July 12, 2008, 11:51:40 PM »

The Quran is full of contradiction and violence, so is the Bible.

And I replied, yeah, ... but what about L. Ron Hubbard?

L. Ron was quite the thinker, even driving off the causeway at full speed with hair on fire as he was at the end of his life.

Somewhere I read (I think it was Asimov's autobiography) that Hubbard, Campbell, RAH and Asimov discussed one evening how a religion could be built on principles alone or shrouded in psychobabble and raise a following. Without saying it outright, Asimov alluded that "Dianetics" was Hubbard's followup on that idea. I do believe that RAH's "Stranger in a Strange Land" was Heinlein's reply to Hubbard.

Now that they are all "wasted food" we shall never really know.

I never read Dianetics, some of the precepts seemed just too unworthy of my serious attention.
I did however manage to read all ten volumes of Mission Earth... once.

For those of you too young to know... L. Ron Hubbard wrote "Battlefield Earth" and "Mission Earth". One became a (very bad, I am told) movie.