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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread
« on: November 11, 2008, 06:41:37 PM »
Whether churches which receive government subsidy in the form of tax exemption are truly private, I'll leave for another discussion... :)

Our church always has (since it's founding in 1904), and always will pay taxes - Jesus did. It's totally incompatible with "render unto Caesar" and fail to pay taxes.


 :bravo: I LIKE YOUR CHURCH!  :badgrin: Now, if only the other 47 bazillion other churches would quit hiding behind their tax exempt status, maybe the government could loosen their financial noose... which would in turn do far more good for the people than all of the "charity" work these churches claim to do.

As I said before, the authors of the words "separation of church and state" are dead. They did not clearly define what was acceptable as far as displaying religious symbolism or artifacts on government owned property. It seems to me that it is not our job to "interpret" what they may or may not have meant by those words, especially by using any statement that ISN'T included in that same document no matter how relevant it seems. It IS our job to create new laws that cover these areas which they obviously did not foresee when the constitution was penned. I see nothing wrong with amending or changing parts of the constitution.

In the similar way that Quadz described gay marriage...

The constitution also gives us the right to "keep and bear arms". In those days, you had to reload with a ramrod and cartridge and it took an hour to fire more than 50 shots with one gun. People carried guns with them to the general store. These days, we can fire 200 rounds in under a minute with belt-fed M-60. Should I be allowed to walk around the grocery store with a loaded M-60 strapped over my shoulder? Just to make it more ridiculous, should I be allowed to own a mortar cannon that launches nuclear mortars? (because you never know when those might come in handy!)

The government has made new laws which clarify how it interprets the ones that may not have covered certain issues. To my knowledge, there is no federal law prohibiting government buildings from allowing churches to display nativity scenes on the lawn. It is left up to the discretion of the state and local governments what they allow on their property. In my opinion, debating whether or not "separation of church and state" allows for a nativity scene is a waste of time. If a town is predominately Christian, it's fine. It's not going to hurt anyone. It doesn't mean that if I go there wearing a great big turban and a muslim pendant, that I will receive a higher fine for whatever law I've broken. If I do, that's a whole different ball game. THAT would be a clear-cut case of discrimination covered by the phrase "separation of church and state".

/dev/random / Re: Whatcha Look Like?
« on: November 11, 2008, 05:47:08 PM »
Focalor, youre so fucking ugly your picture was removed from photobucket.  Post it as the cover of one of your albums instead.  :D  Or pitch it to cannibal corpse's   :lolsign:

I'm ugly, but I'm still 100 times prettier than the livestock you copulate with.

/dev/random / Re: Fallout 3
« on: November 11, 2008, 05:44:27 PM »
and in then that site must pure mental masturbation for you.  Of the shit kind.    :lolsign: :lolsign:

LOL is right. Do you even have a fucking clue what you were attempting to say there? There's that elite self-education rearing it's ugly head again, you peruvian schmuck. :D

art, music, etc. / Re: Obscure Music Videos
« on: November 11, 2008, 05:09:01 PM »
Not really obscure, but I think this band really has brought back the rock vibe that has been missing for waaaay to long.  Simple rock, sweet duel solo.

Then this Zepplin feeling toon....
(Did you notice that the second link is the same as the first??? :exqueezeme: )

I've heard the song Level and Steady As She Goes, but I never really knew who it was. I never really like the White Stripes because of how simple it sounded, but I could appreciate the classic sound they were going for. I like this full group a hell of a lot more.

More prog/art rock...

Some pre-MTV era Genesis that many people aren't familiar with. Genesis in 1980 doing "Squonk" from the album A Trick Of The Tail. Check out Phil Collins with his Miami Vice-ish tropical print shirt and beard.  :D

An old performance of Yes, looks like it was broadcast on Japanese TV. Sounds to me like Steve Howe did a better job on guitar live than he did on the studio recording of this same song.
Yes - Starship Trooper

/dev/random / Re: Fallout 3
« on: November 10, 2008, 09:01:02 PM »
Do you even know what the "upper class section" means?

Sure, where rich people live.

Can you pinpoint Peru in the map?  (hint: Dont use intarweb)

Yes. I can also pinpoint where the doorknob is as I offer you my sincere wishes that you not allow it to smite your hind regions on the way out of Tastyspleen.

I've been to chicago, have you been to Peru?
No, I've never been to Peru. But sometimes I like to pretend that I'm there. What I often do is go into the bathroom, take a great big massive shit, and close my eyes and imagine that I'm there. The scent of human shit gives me many vivid mental images of what life must be like in Peru on a daily basis.

Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread
« on: November 10, 2008, 08:47:25 PM »
It can go both ways, if their was a Hale Satan day and 75% of the towns population celebrated that day and put up some pentagrams on the square, far be it for me to rune it for everyone else. THATS WHAT PISSES ME OFF. A very few people RUNE something for everyone else simply because they don't agree with it. And they will pervert the separation of church and state amendment to get it done.
My question is why ????

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with the citizens' majority opinion...It's not about RUNING it for everybody else.

It is the principle that matters. The founding fathers would be opposed to religious imagery/promotion/celebration taking place on government institutions. If someone wants to celebrate their religious tradition, it's not hard to do it in a way that does not involve a government building.

Not to hop on the famously popular "Satanists for Christ" bandwagon, (hehe, yeah, I just said that) but as I mentioned in my post:
"...all men were created equal..."
It's been debated at length whether or not the founding fathers were Christians or not. From including words like "created", I'd say it was a very good possibility...


I don't see what it matters what THEY believed. Times have changed. They are dead. Dead men don't suffer the consequences of having outdated laws rooted in Christianity-infused moral dogma. But is anyone really suffering? A lot of people in this world are masochists, they love to be persecuted and inconvenienced so that they can bitch and complain about their unfair treatment. If you gave them exactly what they wanted, they'd still find something to complain about. They talk about the mandatory moment of silence in public schools as if someone was putting a gun their children's heads and screaming, "YOU MUST PRAY TO JESUS!" No, I don't want to have to look at a nativity scene, but I've seen piss-poor landscaping jobs and tons of JUNK sitting in some peoples front yards that I find far more visually appalling. :lolsign:

art, music, etc. / Re: Obscure Music Videos
« on: November 10, 2008, 09:27:27 AM »
On the subject of progressive... One of my favorite's: Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Still, You Turn Me On/Lucky Man

Greg Lake has one of the most powerful voices I've ever heard. I love bands like ELP that can perform live as well as they sound in the studio.

art, music, etc. / Re: Obscure Music Videos
« on: November 10, 2008, 08:59:15 AM »
This is Egg from 1970. The opening chords would make a good "metal" song. Not bad for 1970. The rest of the song is kind of artsy but with nice keyboard work.  Quite ahead of their time, really....

Opening   C  C  Cm7~~~F#  F#  F#m7~~~

Awesome! I've never heard of this band before. I love the old 60's and 70's progressive rock. Thanks for posting this one!

/dev/random / Re: Whatcha Look Like?
« on: November 10, 2008, 08:38:08 AM »
Heres me in my studio :bananaw00t:

What are those Peavey combos I see there?

One is used for rythm guitar, the other one is used as a stand :P

I should've said, "What model are those Peavey combos I see there?" Looks a little like those awesome old all-tube Bravo 112's they used to make.

Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread
« on: November 10, 2008, 08:18:45 AM »
I’d really like to touch on this.
First, if there is a nativity scene on the courthouse square it doesn't mean they endorse Christianity, no more than our Halloween decorations on the square imply that the courthouse endorses witches and evil pumpkins. It's a religious holiday and they put up the appropriate decoration for whatever holiday it is. The point I was making is that some people pervert the separation of church and state amendment to have it taken down.

It can go both ways, if their was a Hale Satan day and 75% of the towns population celebrated that day and put up some pentagrams on the square, far be it for me to rune it for everyone else. THATS WHAT PISSES ME OFF. A very few people RUNE something for everyone else simply because they don't agree with it. And they will pervert the separation of church and state amendment to get it done.
My question is why ????
If i was born in Iran, why should I rune it for everyone else just because "I" don't agree with it. Oh wait, that's right, you can't do that there, you would get shot in the face. Silly me, I forgot.
But, we live in America, where your free to that.
Again, the point is, We live in America, where instead of most people being "thankful" that they can legally stage and hold a (insert religion of chose here) demonstration, march, and/or parade, most would rather screw someone out of their fun because "they" didn't sign off on it.

I didn't really want to "debate" anything by saying any of that. I simply thought my perspective on the issue was relevant given that no one else around here seems to be party to my particular choice of religion/philosophy. If there was someone who was affiliated with some other non-mainstream religion or philosophy, I'd be interested in hearing their perspective on various issues too.

Having a nativity scene displayed on a courthouse lawn may not ACTUALLY mean that they endorse Christianity, but it does "imply" it, just as some Christian activists believe that displaying cutouts of witches and devils at Halloween implies endorsement of witchcraft to a degree. I live in reality though. I'm not some anti-Christian crusader like others who may use the term "Satanist" to describe themselves. I'm not hell bent on "ridding the world of the disease of Christianity", like some of those assholes will loudly proclaim. Personally, I don't care enough about people I've never met to want to improve their lives by removing them from the slavery of some dogma that I happen to disagree with. And coincidentally, I'm of the opinion that "Satanists" who claim that as one of their primary goals in life... aren't Satanists at all. I worry about things in my own life that affect me in a personal way. I know that the government isn't going to pop up one of these days and adopt a theocratic system in place of a democratic one. All evidence shows that the people in this country are beginning to question tradition and convention more and more, which leads me to believe that Christianity and other faith based religions will eventually fade on their own, which obviously renders the possibility of the arising of a theocratic government a relative impossibility.

What it all boils down to is "public opinion", because we are a democracy. As long as the majority of people are not opposed to the public display of a nativity scene on the courthouse lawn, it will remain... even if it IS against any recorded policy. Many states in the south used to display the Confederate flag on their state flag, my own state included. It wasn't added to the state flag until the mid-1900's, quite a while after the civil war, and coincidentally when the fight for civil rights and racial equality was raging. "All men are created equal", but that didn't prevent southern states from implying that they weren't by including the pro-slavery symbol of the Confederate flag on their state flags. In recent years, I believe ALL of the southern states have removed that symbol from their state flags. So as you see, as times change and/or public opinions change, so do laws. The new testament and old testaments of the Holy Bible are yet another example of this. Jesus Christ was crucified for your sins, which means that you no longer have to sacrifice an unblemished lamb anymore.

Basically my stance on the issue is the same as yours. It doesn't personally affect me to see a nativity scene on the courthouse lawn, so I'm not going to waste my valuable time by protesting it. I wouldn't have such a display on my own lawn, but I'm not going to be the turd in the punchbowl and ruin everyone elses fun by crusading against such a thing.

As far as your statement about "perverting separation of church and state"... The government is not supposed to influence the practice of religion in any way. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that religion shouldn't influence the practice and judgment of the government either. The Catholic church (in my opinion) is nothing more than it's own political institution, a theocracy defined. They have "power", it's undeniable. All Christian denominations who operate within some type of organization (the Southern Baptist Convention for example) promote certain candidates to their members because they support issues they agree with. I'm also of the firm opinion that religion is a man-made construct for the purpose of governing and control. Just opinion, doesn't mean anything really. But to assume that religion does not have the power to influence the government is egregiously false. History books prove this point very well.

As I said before, it's all about "public opinion". As long as we are a "democracy" and the majority of people WANT the 10 commandments in the courthouse, it will remain there. If the majority of people want the government to start reverting to Old Testament law, it will happen. No doubt there will be folks carrying buckets of rocks in the town square every Saturday at lunch time for the weekly "Stoning of the Homosexuals".  :dohdohdoh:

Politics / Re: Where has the love for and the pride in America gone.
« on: November 10, 2008, 06:49:38 AM »
I have replied to this in the ye religious thread to keep this thread a little more on topic.;msg=106059;topic=4240.2025;sesc=3b295c1c2f4608dfeb9dbfeccfbbed7f

What the fork! Teh forumz is teh broked!!!1! Even when I log out and back in and try clicking the link again, it still always says:
An Error Has Occurred!
Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.

/dev/random / Re: Whatcha Look Like?
« on: November 10, 2008, 06:46:05 AM »
Q2 gangsta rap for Mya:
She gots tha railgun slugz for all you fake bitchiz - to put you mothafuckaz in 6 foot ditches!
Nadeclownin ho's and rocket jumpin niggaz - She got the lowest ping so keep yo fingaz on yo triggaz!

Heres me in my studio :bananaw00t:

What are those Peavey combos I see there?

Jokes / Re: Washing dishes in the oven
« on: November 09, 2008, 04:09:48 PM »
Whacky.  You have too much time on your hands, Focalator.  Haha.

From the same website...spreadable bacon out of a jar!  Genius ;)

No, I'm really not one of these people who wanders and browses aimlessly around the internet like a yuppie at the mall. Yahoo is my start page, it was one of the "featured" news items. Some of those (like the one I posted here) are far too ridiculous and tempting to prevent myself from investigating them.

And why do people insist on ADDING extraneous letters to my player name? People at Vanilla do it all the time. I swear, I think I'm gonna have to change my name to something unquestionably easy to spell, like Al or Bob.

Bacon and mayonnaise? Holy shit, that should come packaged with defibrillator paddles and a do-it-yourself angioplasty kit!

Politics / Re: Awesome news!
« on: November 09, 2008, 03:52:59 PM »

The requested document could not be found.

Hmmm. That's not the error message I got. Mine said:


The poster of this link's brain could not be found.

Politics / Re: Is America the greatest country in the world? (Poll 2 of 2)
« on: November 09, 2008, 03:47:38 PM »
I used to post in political drivel boards, but i wiped them off and it all got boring, so here i am.  :yessign:

Sorry, but the people here aren't unintelligent enough to have faith in your charming political commentary. Try lowering your expectations just a smidgen further. Maybe these types of folks would provide you with minimal resistance: Britney Spears Message Boards on Yahoo! Music

I hope this helps. You're welcome.

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